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DCFC79

Marie88 wrote: »

trolls have ruined the thread.

The original post is quoted so pointless in deleting it. Its an open forum so anyone can post, unfortunately you dont get to decide who can post or what replies are posted.

dandelionclock30

I think some people have a negative view of unemployed people( who are all clumped together) because they have a very low level of understanding about both economics and reality.
Its easier to think that all unemployed people are idle benefit scroungers than to sit down and understand about for example the relationship between high unemplyment and low inflation and the implications of this.
Or to understand that their beleifs are being manipulated by propoganda.

MissSarah1972

DCFC79 wrote: »

I actually dont think the majority of those on jsa want to be on it but they actually want to be in a job. Ive been on jsa myself albeit only 5/6 months so i do know what its like. I wouldn't have an issue taking part in the community work, id see it as getting out of the house.

Looking for a job is a full time job in itself. Lets hope they allow people on this scheme to go to interviews and agencies and actaully search the net for jobs. You can't be doing both.

dandelionclock30

They wont bring it in for everybody to be doing unpaid community work because it will cost to much to impliment and supervise.

DCFC79

MissSarah1972 wrote: »

Looking for a job is a full time job in itself. Lets hope they allow people on this scheme to go to interviews and agencies and actaully search the net for jobs. You can't be doing both.

As Ive said Ive been on jsa so I understand it can be full time job.

marybelle01

MissSarah1972 wrote: »

Nope , do not think they are trolls they are the way the public think of the unemployed

They think we want to be out of work or can't be bothered to work. Wonder if the public would say the same if they were on the other side of the coin.

The last time I looked I still qualified as a member of the public, and I see no benefit in you doing what you are accusing others of doing - lumping everyone in the same boat.

There are unemployed people who would not get out of bed in the morning to go to work if you offered to taxi them there and back and pay them £50k a year. Some of them do want to be out of work. That's just a fact.

But I think you will find that the majority of people do not think this applies to the majority of unemployed people, and say so whichever side of the coin they are on.

The "public" no more all think the same way as the "unemployed" do.

jayII

I don't think at all badly of unemployed people, I agree that most would rather be working. But I don't understand why anyone who has been on JSA for a long period would object to doing a spell work for their local community.

During that time, it is perfectly possible to search for a job during evenings and weekends, like employed people have to if they want a better job.

I don't meant to be harsh, but surely it is good to give something back, to get back into the routine of getting up going to work each day, and possibly to have a recent reference?

wantsajob

Problem with things like workfare is businesses see it as a means to free labour, rather than a way of helping improve someone's employability. In most cases, unpaid employees replace paid ones - and this is at the tax payer's expense, not that of the business making millions.

I declined a Job Centre offer of work experience at the big T, although this was not a mandatory thing - just a suggestion of something I could do should I chose to. Mainly because I knew this particular store had already laid off lots of people, and Christmas was coming up - so obviously looking for free labour in the run up to a busy period. If they just got rid of loads of employees, then chances are there's no real job available.

I recently managed to initiate my own work experience placement, by contacting the organisation directly (within civil service), and this fortunately led to an actual job. So it's not that I'm workshy and lazy. I turned my nose up at the big T thing as I don't want to be used and abused for the benefit of a multi million pound organisation, while getting £0 as my reward, with no real prospects at the end.

The_ICT_Engineer

Clearly there are few of members of the Daily Mail (Hate) Reader's Club making comments on this thread. They truly believe everything that's printed in the Daily 'Bigot' and what Duncan Smith & Grayling tell them.

The unemployed are demonised by being portrayed as having low IQ ,Workshy, No work ethos, Barely able to read or write or have a very basic numeracy, and have problem with drugs or alcohol. They are a easy target for the Government and the right wing press.

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jayII

wantsajob wrote: »

Problem with things like workfare is businesses see it as a means to free labour, rather than a way of helping improve someone's employability. In most cases, unpaid employees replace paid ones - and this is at the tax payer's expense, not that of the business making millions.

I declined a Job Centre offer of work experience at the big T, although this was not a mandatory thing - just a suggestion of something I could do should I chose to. Mainly because I knew this particular store had already laid off lots of people, and Christmas was coming up - so obviously looking for free labour in the run up to a busy period. If they just got rid of loads of employees, then chances are there's no real job available.

I recently managed to initiate my own work experience placement, by contacting the organisation directly (within civil service), and this fortunately led to an actual job. So it's not that I'm workshy and lazy. I turned my nose up at the big T thing as I don't want to be used and abused for the benefit of a multi million pound organisation, while getting £0 as my reward, with no real prospects at the end.

I totally agree that workfare shouldn't be sending loads of people to work for somewhere like Mr T. I really think they should be doing something that at least partly benefits either the community or the workers. People could also be encouraged and helped to find their own more personally suitable placements, as you did.

Congratulations on getting your job.