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LittleVoice

gizmo111 wrote: »

Remainder of entitlement up to 31 dec.
New LA holiday year runs 01 April - 31 March.

If the two weeks are actually the remainder up to 31 December and you will be employed up to the middle of October then you will not have accrued all of the two weeks by mid-October.

I suggest that you do get continuity by having edge-to-edge dates of ending/beginning your employment. Taking a temporary job elsewhere is going to be the best way of dealing with whatever holiday you do have at the end your employment. But remember that your employer does not have to agree to your taking the holiday at the end of your notice period - they could get you to work the entire time and pay you for accrued holiday not taken when you leave.

gizmo111

LittleVoice wrote: »

If the two weeks are actually the remainder up to 31 December and you will be employed up to the middle of October then you will not have accrued all of the two weeks by mid-October.

I suggest that you do get continuity by having edge-to-edge dates of ending/beginning your employment. Taking a temporary job elsewhere is going to be the best way of dealing with whatever holiday you do have at the end your employment. But remember that your employer does not have to agree to your taking the holiday at the end of your notice period - they could get you to work the entire time and pay you for accrued holiday not taken when you leave.

I have 29 days entitlement and have 3 days TOIL outstanding - by the end of Sept I calculate that I have accrued 22.5 and will have used 13.5 days leaving me 9 days to take plus the TOIL.
I already have holiday booked in Aug/Sept and have cancelled some of this to meet service commitments and don't really want to take more at beginning of Oct.
I would be more than happy to work and have the pay but about a year ago a friend did this and after 2 months was ordered to pay it back as it was not LA policy to pay.
To complicate it further I have been told that I have to give 2 months notice - but reading our Leavers policy today whcih changed in March 2012 - it seems I only have to give one. However it is crucial that I work at least until 21st Sept to meet service requirements.
I am hoping now that I can get agreement for the holiday pay in cash. I need to wait for officail letter from new LA before I can resign so dates and agreements all up in air.

Savvy_Sue

gizmo111 wrote: »

Remainder of entitlement up to 31 dec.
New LA holiday year runs 01 April - 31 March.

In your letter of resignation I'd state how much leave you think you are entitled to, up until your last day of service, and that you therefore expect your last day in work to be ... with the remainder taken as paid leave.

gizmo111 wrote: »

I have 29 days entitlement and have 3 days TOIL outstanding - by the end of Sept I calculate that I have accrued 22.5 and will have used 13.5 days leaving me 9 days to take plus the TOIL.

Check what they do with TOIL: many places wouldn't pay you for it, you'd need to use it or lose it.

gizmo111 wrote: »

I would be more than happy to work and have the pay but about a year ago a friend did this and after 2 months was ordered to pay it back as it was not LA policy to pay.

Umm, one way or another your friend was entitled to that leave: if they hadn't taken the leave they were entitled to before leaving, then they were entitled to be paid for it!

gizmo111 wrote: »

I am hoping now that I can get agreement for the holiday pay in cash. I need to wait for officail letter from new LA before I can resign

Very wise ...

BTW, it will take a little while for your tax to settle down if you do start work while you're technically on leave from your current LA. You will have to complete a P46 for the new LA, and on that you will have to say that this is not your only job. So for your first month (at least), your tax code will be BR, and you'll lose 20% of your gross salary in tax (assuming you're not a higher rate taxpayer ...)

Once your old LA sends your P45 through, you can hand that in to the new LA, and your tax code will change - not sure if that should be automatic, or if HMRC will have to be involved: I think from what's happened to a colleague that HMRC have to send a new tax code, so it could take a couple of months.

Eventually you'll get any overpaid tax back, and it'll all settle down.

anamenottaken

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

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BTW, it will take a little while for your tax to settle down if you do start work while you're technically on leave from your current LA. You will have to complete a P46 for the new LA, and on that you will have to say that this is not your only job. So for your first month (at least), your tax code will be BR, and you'll lose 20% of your gross salary in tax (assuming you're not a higher rate taxpayer ...)

Once your old LA sends your P45 through, you can hand that in to the new LA, and your tax code will change - not sure if that should be automatic, or if HMRC will have to be involved: I think from what's happened to a colleague that HMRC have to send a new tax code, so it could take a couple of months.

Eventually you'll get any overpaid tax back, and it'll all settle down.

With no overlap of service, even if a P46 is required by the new LA, it will not be necessary to say the new job is not the only one because at the point of commencement with the new LA it will be the only job.

It would be for the temp job (if it is not self-employment) that a P46 would be completed and where there would be an overlap and therefore 20% would be deducted from pay from that work. That's for only a couple of weeks.

Savvy_Sue

anamenottaken wrote: »

With no overlap of service, even if a P46 is required by the new LA, it will not be necessary to say the new job is not the only one because at the point of commencement with the new LA it will be the only job.

Except surely if the OP is on leave from the first LA for the first two weeks of their new job, then there IS an overlap of service?

I know she doesn't yet know if the overlap will be allowed, but it sounds as if that's her preferred option.

anamenottaken

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

Except surely if the OP is on leave from the first LA for the first two weeks of their new job, then there IS an overlap of service?

I know she doesn't yet know if the overlap will be allowed, but it sounds as if that's her preferred option.

Just re-read your post and see that you did say "if you do start work while you're technically on leave" but didn't mention where the new work would be. I was looking at the work for an agency overlap option, not the LA overlap situation.

eamon

I've done something similar and I'm surprised that your current employer won't pay up on any unused holiday entitlement. Anyway it must be possible to find a workaround. In the meantime make sure that you keep your continuity of service and find out from your current pension people what you need to do re your pension. Unless of course you have opted out.