New staff on more money - I;m fed up

tescobabe69

Sorry, but it doesnt sound like they think you are a keeper.

SandC

Even decent companies try it on with salaries, it sucks doesn't it? But in reality you were probably put on a lower rate because you were only there for maternity cover.

Great that you've had an interview elsewhere and hope that's a positive result. Your employers may have a change of heart when it comes to handing in your notice. It seems personal but rarely is, they are just trying to get away with what they can - knowing that people can't just threaten to leave any more.

Although not good for you, it is kind of heartening to hear that some companies are upping pay rates for new starters.

Good luck!

pinkshoes

An advert for an identical job to mine in the office went up for £32k to £40k, so given I meet ALL the prerequisites and skills, and have experience in the correct field (well DUH!), then you'd think I could apply and push for the £40k...

Alas, I'm stuck at the bottom end, and when I asked for a pay rise after 3 years of hard work, I got told that as my boss left whilst I was on maternity, there was now no one to judge my previous performance, so I would have to wait another 18 months to be considered. PAH.

(so I will soon be handing in my notice to move onto pastures new...)

Acc72

pinkshoes wrote: »

I got told that as my boss left whilst I was on maternity, there was now no one to judge my previous performance,

so I would have to wait another 18 months to be considered.

Did you have an appraisal with your old boss ?

Why do you have to wait another 18 months for a pay review ?

InsideInsurance

In my first role as a project manager the M1 graded project manager salaries ranged from £32,500 to £67,000 and with 30% flexible benefits, up to 10% profit share and up to 20% bonus all being based on that base salary the difference in real terms are even more pronounced. All were the same grade, job description and title.

Salaries are personally negotiated things and colleagues dont have to get the same pay even if they do the same job (as long as the reason they dont cannot be proven to be a prohibited "ism"). As long as you are happy with the salary you get it doesnt really matter if the person sitting next to you is on more or less.

You've found out others MAY be paid more (obviously up to means they could be getting less) and it is up to you to decide if you are undervalued and thus should look elsewhere or if you decide that your getting a fair days pay for a fair days work and complete the contract at the rate you agreed to be acceptable 6 months ago

SandC

That was what I did InsideInsurance. I found out there were quite large salary differences in some other roles which I felt were comparable (and indeed were listed as equal in some old grading system they had from the year dot). I prepared a written set of reasons my my job should be paid more, comparable within the industry and listed all the extra responsibilities taken on since getting the job. No mention of other people.

As it happened my boss approached me with a letter saying thank you and we have reviewed salaries and feel you should be receiving more. It wasn't as much as the others were on still, but was substantial in terms of % rise and certainly worth my while. I decided that if I had no idea what others were earning I'd feel like the cat that got the cream at that point, without having to put my point across at all.

So I now look on it as new people coming in, good luck to them if they manage to negotiate a better start salary - it benefits us all in the long run. I know if I ever move on I will never again be nervous of pushing myself forward and asking for the highest salary I can achieve - I have never yet seen someone withdraw a job offer based on the person asking for too much money put it that way!

InsideInsurance

You will almost certainly always make bigger salary increases by moving out than moving up within an organisation.

Whilst I wouldn't advocate lying in an interview, obviously if you are applying internally you cannot possibly over state your role/ responsibilities as much as you can if you move out. On the flip side, internally if you have a good track record you are more likely to get a promotion because even if you dont have the experience you are a known quantity (plus you have options like secondments). Generally moves out are at best a small step up (unless you really do lie) and more commonly sideways even if you can get a very big pay increase.

pinkshoes

Acc72 wrote: »

Did you have an appraisal with your old boss ?

Why do you have to wait another 18 months for a pay review ?

No appraisal.

I asked to come in for one at appraisal time (as I'd done 7 of the 12 months before going on maternity), but they forgot. When I came back from maternity leave, I pointed out it wasn't done, so the new manager promised he'd do it, but he then forgot...

So come appraisals this year, they've now decided they're doing them later in the year.

I asked for a pay rise, pointed out the HUGE projects I'd worked on, but got told that as my manager had left, they couldn't judge my performance, so would have to spend another 18 months proving myself.

Rubbish really, but that's life!

Question to ALWAYS ask in interviews: What is the employee annual turnover, and how does it compare to the department?

getmore4less

pinkshoes wrote: »

No appraisal.

I asked to come in for one at appraisal time (as I'd done 7 of the 12 months before going on maternity), but they forgot. When I came back from maternity leave, I pointed out it wasn't done, so the new manager promised he'd do it, but he then forgot...

So come appraisals this year, they've now decided they're doing them later in the year.

I asked for a pay rise, pointed out the HUGE projects I'd worked on, but got told that as my manager had left, they couldn't judge my performance, so would have to spend another 18 months proving myself.

Rubbish really, but that's life!

Question to ALWAYS ask in interviews: What is the employee annual turnover, and how does it compare to the department?

There will be plenty of other people you/he can use to review performance

should have thrown it back at him.

So all the company has to do is move managers around and no one gets a pay rise? pehaps they will get rid of you before my next review!

and/or

If you can't be bothered to review the facts now, chances are you won't bother in 18 months, it is obvious that you don't like people going on maternity and are just making up excuses not to give me the pay rise I deserve.

etc............

thegirlintheattic

Your only there for the year and was happy with the original salary. Of course they are not going to raise your pay!