Incident at work

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DollDaggaBuzzBuzz wrote: »

With regards to being a potential threat to customers, my husband is seeing a psychiatric team and a mental health nurse regularly, and is on a fair dose of anti psychotics, and his boss has had a letter from the psychiatric team, who say that my husband is fit and safe to work in that environment.
His treatment was ramped up severely after the incident (more frequent meetings, alternate doses of drugs)

Well if they wrote the letter before he kicked off and punched the wall, then it really wasn't worth the paper it was written on unfortunately.

If they wrote it after and are saying he is safe to be in contact with customers, the boss must be begging to differ. He almost got punched in the face!

DollDaggaBuzzBuzz

Spamfree wrote: »

Well if they wrote the letter before he kicked off and punched the wall, then it really wasn't worth the paper it was written on unfortunately.

If they wrote it after and are saying he is safe to be in contact with customers, the boss must be begging to differ. He almost got punched in the face!

It was written after. It was written last week, after the 12 weeks of counselling and new drugs.

DollDaggaBuzzBuzz

Just to say, I agree entirely that the employer should be investigating this, and I totally agree with what you are all saying about him being a risk.
I think my main issues are just ensuring that it is investigated properly. My OH hasn't been asked for a statement, and his main worry is that the person investigating was involved in the incident, whereas surely it should be conducted by someone impartial?
I think we both believe that his job is probably not going to be his for much longer, but if he's going to be going to lose his job, he at least wants to know that he did everything he could and that it was fair.

marybelle01

DollDaggaBuzzBuzz wrote: »

Just to say, I agree entirely that the employer should be investigating this, and I totally agree with what you are all saying about him being a risk.
I think my main issues are just ensuring that it is investigated properly. My OH hasn't been asked for a statement, and his main worry is that the person investigating was involved in the incident, whereas surely it should be conducted by someone impartial?
I think we both believe that his job is probably not going to be his for much longer, but if he's going to be going to lose his job, he at least wants to know that he did everything he could and that it was fair.

Fair enough - but as I asked right back at the beginning - is there anyone else who could investigate this, and if they did, who would then impartially hear the case if it went further? This is a pub and the "boss" may be the only person who can do this. If so, then they are permitted to both investigate and to discipline if appropriate - they just have to be able to show that they did so as objectively as possible. Many small workplaces only have one boss and you can't get around that. If they brought in someone else, it would still be the bosses decision - someone from outside can't make decisions about someone they don't employ.

Gothicfairy

I feel for you OP, my fella has mental health problems and the "rage" is just one side of it.
He takes meds daily and will do for the rest of his life. He has to work harder then most to control his feelings and does need to walk away sometimes but he would never work in a pub or customer facing job as that would about kill him (or someone else ).
He works in warehouses and such with employers that know and understand the issues ( ie he is more then able to work alone and that does not require a change on the employers part)
I am afraid that from personal experience hitting a wall by someone can be as scary as being hit as you don't know the next actions.

I think it should only be right that your husband be allowed to put his case and he heard fairly but I think it might well be time for him to look for another job and one where he can if needs be work alone.


Another thing I was thinking is does your OH have problems with alcohol ? I ask because my fella went down the self medicating route with alcohol and drugs and is now having to work past that as well. It would be hard for him to be around anyone really really drunk as he enjoyed that feeling of being out of control so would look for a fight anyway.

DollDaggaBuzzBuzz

marybelle01 wrote: »

Fair enough - but as I asked right back at the beginning - is there anyone else who could investigate this, and if they did, who would then impartially hear the case if it went further? This is a pub and the "boss" may be the only person who can do this. If so, then they are permitted to both investigate and to discipline if appropriate - they just have to be able to show that they did so as objectively as possible. Many small workplaces only have one boss and you can't get around that. If they brought in someone else, it would still be the bosses decision - someone from outside can't make decisions about someone they don't employ.

Sorry, my mistake, I thought I'd said earlier, the pub my husband works for is part of a chain, so there's a management structure of the area manager, regional manager etc

DollDaggaBuzzBuzz

Gothicfairy wrote: »

I feel for you OP, my fella has mental health problems and the "rage" is just one side of it.
He takes meds daily and will do for the rest of his life. He has to work harder then most to control his feelings and does need to walk away sometimes but he would never work in a pub or customer facing job as that would about kill him (or someone else ).
He works in warehouses and such with employers that know and understand the issues ( ie he is more then able to work alone and that does not require a change on the employers part)
I am afraid that from personal experience hitting a wall by someone can be as scary as being hit as you don't know the next actions.

I think it should only be right that your husband be allowed to put his case and he heard fairly but I think it might well be time for him to look for another job and one where he can if needs be work alone.


Another thing I was thinking is does your OH have problems with alcohol ? I ask because my fella went down the self medicating route with alcohol and drugs and is now having to work past that as well. It would be hard for him to be around anyone really really drunk as he enjoyed that feeling of being out of control so would look for a fight anyway.

Hi, and thanks
No, my OH doesn't have any issues with alcohol, he doesn't really drink much, if at all.
I hope your OH manages to work through things too.

colino

While I feel profoundly sorry for you, you surely must realise that employer is just going through the process to make sure your husband has no line of defence. I don't particularly care that it is in a customer contact job, even if he was working for me on his own, in a windowless room but was only able to convey his emotions by lifting his hands, even to an inanimate object, he would be sacked. No investigation, no questions asked. Be grateful the boss isn't pursuing a criminal charge.

marybelle01

DollDaggaBuzzBuzz wrote: »

Sorry, my mistake, I thought I'd said earlier, the pub my husband works for is part of a chain, so there's a management structure of the area manager, regional manager etc

In that case the right thing to do is to ask. I'd suggest he put it in writing, but keep it low key and nice (so perhaps you should write it!) because he's in a poor position and he doesn't want to be alienating anyone more than he already has. There's time enough to complain about unfairness (if that's what happens) if he needs to. But I'd have thought it ought to be possible to have someone else - although someone else hearing it may be enough. At least if it's a bigger chain there may be some leeway to consider whether there's other work available too, although that still might not be easy to arrange if they decide he isn't really suitable for bar work / public facing work.

jobbingmusician

There is a lot of 'the manager almost got hit' here. I don't agree with this. Hitting a wall is not the same as hitting a person, although it is frightening for the person in the room talking to the hitter.

I think there may be a way forward here - PM sent.