Preparedness for when

GreyQueen

elaine241 wrote: »

Grey queen salt stings a LITTLE on an ulcer who are u kidding!! Stings like bloody hell and thats from personal experience!!

Seriously, it's minor. I'm not hardcore, I'm a redhead, and even surgeons have said things to me like I hate operating on redheads, you lot have such low pain thresholds.

Thinking about it is worse than actually doing it.

nuatha

MrsLurcherwalker wrote: »

We had a pamphlet in the letter box today, BRITAIN STRONGER IN EUROPE it says and contains quotes from HM Treasury, HMRC, European Commission, Office for National Statistics but isn't attributed to any political party. Intrigued I looked up the only reference on it which is to strongerineurope.co/uk so I looked that up and found it comes from a company and is run by Will Straw, Jack Straws son, the kid who had the drug incident when he was younger, wouldn't you think someone would have said it was Labour Party on the paper? or is a private company playing politics?

It isn't a Labour Party leaflet. There are several outfits on either side of the debate that aren't affiliated to a political party - largely because the debate has split the two big parties. Not to mention business and science groups (I'm seeing a lot of stuff from some pro-EU science group at the moment).
It makes sense to have fewer campaign groups and see supporters for each side working together, otherwise you'd have Conservatives for EU, Conservatives against EU, the same with Labour and other organisations as well.
Any of them can choose from a wide range of published statistics to support their side of the argument - you may even see the exact same statistic used by both sides.

elaine241 wrote: »

Grey queen salt stings a LITTLE on an ulcer who are u kidding!! Stings like bloody hell and thats from personal experience!!

I always suspected GQ wasn't like the rest of us mortals
My personal experience supports yours Elaine. Though I do have to agree its a quick and effective cure. Though I'd rather use alcohol to wash a surface wound than saline - but I'm not as tough as some people - and I'd far rather use anaesthetic first before either.

GreyQueen

LMAO :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Hokay, going offline to read before bedtime, we preppers need to be up and alert before the rest of humanity crawls from its pit and gets on with the day.

Ciao!

greenbee

GreyQueen wrote: »

Seriously, it's minor. I'm not hardcore, I'm a redhead, and even surgeons have said things to me like I hate operating on redheads, you lot have such low pain thresholds.

Thinking about it is worse than actually doing it.

nuatha wrote: »

I always suspected GQ wasn't like the rest of us mortals
My personal experience supports yours Elaine. Though I do have to agree its a quick and effective cure. Though I'd rather use alcohol to wash a surface wound than saline - but I'm not as tough as some people - and I'd far rather use anaesthetic first before either.

My dentist reckons men are always more sensitive to pain than women (in the dentist's chair at least). So unless nuatha is a redhead, clearly pain tolerance hierarchy is 'women, redheaded women, men, redheaded men'.. :cool:

nuatha

greenbee wrote: »

My dentist reckons men are always more sensitive to pain than women (in the dentist's chair at least). So unless nuatha is a redhead, clearly pain tolerance hierarchy is 'women, redheaded women, men, redheaded men'.. :cool:

Your dentist may be correct. I'm not a redhead, though had traces of red in my hair and beard (the first hairs to go grey then white ) but did manage to work a 72 hour stint with a burst appendix, peritonitis and eventually gangrene blaming bad catering for being a little queasy. Due to unfortunate reactions to anaesthesia, I opt to have minor procedures without it - including dental extractions. I have a stupidly high pain threshold - which causes its own problems.

Papercuts on the other hand...

greenbee

There's a difference between acute pain and chronic pain. Dental pain and earache are also pains that people find difficult to tolerate (nearer the brain maybe ... Probably more to do with the numbers of nerve endings).

It took me a long time to find a dentist who would work without anaesthesia (I did have it for my extraction and implant though!). I also have problems with anaesthetists who object to me refusing opiates. But as they increase my sensitivity to pain rather than reduce it I find them unhelpful to say the least.

As you say, high pain thresholds or an ability to block our or ignore pain aren't always a good idea. Your appendix story is a good example. I have learned through experience to ask myself 'does it hurt?' and sometimes I'll register that it does. If not, the next question is 'should it hurt?'. Not so easy with stuff you can't see, but cuts, burns etc it does work. Or when my body simply refuses to do something like grip or bend or lift ... However, I can work with it - it's about retraining learned behaviours from having to deal with a lot of pain and finding the best strategy was to ignore it. There are some people who simply don't feel pain at all and for them the world is a dangerous place.

nuatha

greenbee wrote: »

There's a difference between acute pain and chronic pain. Dental pain and earache are also pains that people find difficult to tolerate (nearer the brain maybe ... Probably more to do with the numbers of nerve endings).

Very much so - the difference.
Its also very difficult to quantify or objectively assess pain. I find papercuts ridiculously uncomfortable, but am really not aware of pain until its fairly severe - useful when I live with a couple of chronic health problems.

It took me a long time to find a dentist who would work without anaesthesia (I did have it for my extraction and implant though!). I also have problems with anaesthetists who object to me refusing opiates. But as they increase my sensitivity to pain rather than reduce it I find them unhelpful to say the least.

Thankfully I don't have an issue with opiates. I can see that could cause major problems, given they are the default setting for most medics.

As you say, high pain thresholds or an ability to block our or ignore pain aren't always a good idea. Your appendix story is a good example. I have learned through experience to ask myself 'does it hurt?' and sometimes I'll register that it does. If not, the next question is 'should it hurt?'. Not so easy with stuff you can't see, but cuts, burns etc it does work. Or when my body simply refuses to do something like grip or bend or lift ... However, I can work with it - it's about retraining learned behaviours from having to deal with a lot of pain and finding the best strategy was to ignore it. There are some people who simply don't feel pain at all and for them the world is a dangerous place.

I've ended up in hospital several times because of not being aware of a problem until it becomes fairly severe. (It also causes Herself problems, because she worries about how ill I am at any given point. Two hospitalisations in the last month, the second because I was discharged prematurely, there wasn't a problem because I would be in too much pain to communicate was the consultant's opinion.) I would hate to be any less sensitive to pain than I am. The world is a dangerous place and pain is one of the mechanisms that makes it safer.

Though trying to move slightly back on topic, its perfectly possible to ignore a lot of pain - its best minimising and dealing with it, but its possible. Focussing on something else is probably the easiest method.

Hard_Up_Hester

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I have had some very funny looks when harvesting wild plums off wayside trees. I'm sure some people think you'll drop down dead if you eat things off trees without the intermediary of the supermarket to manage the process for you.
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I have a work colleague who gags at the sight of me eating home grown veg as, shock horror, 'It's been grown in earth' she only eats supermarket veg. I'm not sure what she thinks supermarkets grow their in!

GreyQueen

People crease you up, don't they, Hester?:rotfl:

Of course, she's right, proper supermarket veg is grown in candyfloss pink fluffy clouds in heaven, irrigated by angels' tears, harvested by cherubim and teleported straight to the packhouse for its cellophane/ polythene/ polystrene packaging.

Mere mortals, and mere dirt, never ever touch them.

Cappella

GQ AND Hester - :rotfl:

There are real issues with people not having a clue how food is produced though. Here we take it for granted for example that potatoes grow under the soil. OH came in to work with the last class I ever taught and we grew veg in buckets outside the classroom. They were genuinely horrified to realise that spuds grow in well rotted manure, and not amongst the leaves like flowers. Sadly only two children, whose parents had allotments had ever seen vegetables growing and most had never knowingly seen fruit trees bearing fruit. And don't even get me started on the children who insisted that chips were NOT potatoes. I was sad for them at the time, but find it increasingly disturbing. It was 8 years ago now, and school gardens are more common than they were then so hopefully the ignorance is being partially remedied, though I know of one school where they threw away the veg they produced because they couldn't fit cookery into their curriculum. Totally insane.