Preparedness for when

moneyistooshorttomention

fuddle wrote: »

The majority of my class members have left GQ. The ones that remain are of lack lustre personality or have little self confidence. My village remains a village. So with a small population you can imagine how many men folk worked in the mines. The colliery opened in 1839 so swathes of families had built their lives around the industry for generations.

I think that probably happens in many smaller/"older" places. It often seems to lead to them thinking they are higher standard at something than they are - because they are comparing themselves with just their own community and not with Britain generally.

I do feel sorry for the "brightest and best" and having to watch this. Even little everyday examples of "Lets do things in the same old same old way - again" thinking "Because my father did it that way and his father before him - so it must be ok" or a mutual backscratching of local people who think they are PC's (ie Pillars of the Community) trying to dictate how things will be must be pretty disheartening.

I think that probably is a major difference between some communities and others. Some look confidently to the future and welcome new ideas/others hark back to "past glories" and tell you "If it was good enough for your father and grandfather - then its good enough for you". You can even get a good idea which type of community someone originates from by seeing how confident (or otherwise) they are. Walking around confidently/head up/obviously having a script running in your head of "What decision will I make about this? What decision will I make about that? If its my decision - then I will be the one making it" probably is a pretty big clue.....

If you are in a place where you have to "look to your laurels" and merit tends to be the way you get "reward/respect" then you have to up your game and have a more realistic assessment of exactly the capability level you have. You just cant go round telling yourself you're good if you are only average - because there are lots of people around who actually ARE good.

One thing that strikes me too as something I'm not used to is the number of times that would-be authority figures try and tell people what to do - and expect it to happen that way! It literally never occurs to me that anyone other than myself will make my decisions for me and, even at the level of what medical people I can use, I've had to accept that I've got to go to "bigger" places to get ones that accept that that's the way it is and haven't been able to use some of the ones here (as they function in a more "tell the patient whats what" way than I'm used to - and people do tend to obey them too!!!). That sort of way of thinking doesn't mix well with younger peoples questioning attitude to life and hence the "questioners" also have another reason to move somewhere different.

fuddle

I don't think that's a fair assumption MTSTM. I don't at all think we should suggest that anyone thinks they are a better standard at something than they are just because they have their own community as a comparison. I think all people should strive because they feel they can achieve. From my class there's an lawyer living in Dubai, a cricketer playing top class cricket, a teacher who is fast approaching senior management level, a soccer coach working in the US.

These people haven't thought they are better than they are at all. They have thought they can achieve and sought to do so because the opportunities aren't where they grew up.

mardatha

Re the cookery book - I paid £6 for mine. Very interested in how they cook sprouts and cauli, going to try this to see if it tastes nicer. Wish to god a pound and a half of lamb was still 1/6d lol - I'd be eating it 7 days a week!
I have a theory about people who move away and then start slagging their new homeland. We have a few up here from the far south who I've seen stand in shop queues loudly slagging off the Scots and all that we do, it's so rude.
I think these people are misfits who didn't fit in at home and had no friends, so moved away to "start again" but immediately begin to repeat their pattern of behaviour. They can't see that's "not done".
Anyway back on topic - I'm slowly building up the tins for winter, a friend in America is saying they are expecting a bad winter because of El Nino, but I'm not sure of that will affect us here - does anybody know?

thriftwizard

fuddle wrote: »

Society. ever changing eh? I would like to think of it in terms of the canal network. A network needed, very useful, showcases some ingenious architecture and technology, built by hard working people. To see what very nearly, heck did happen to the canals and the hard working regeneration that took place to see the things of beauty we have today, thriving in a different industry.

Good analogy! Another example: there's a seaside town not too far from here which grew up as a small fishing port. Then it caught the royal eye and became a place where the rich & famous took to the waves for their health, although reportedly said royal wasn't actually very fond of it & couldn't get away fast enough. Then its strategic advantages became apparent & the Navy set up shop, and for the best part of 200 years it was basically a glorified Navy base. Then they withdrew...

It knocked the stuffing out of the place. Empty shops, broken windows, 12-bedroom seafront hotels being sold for less than £200,000 - this is on the South Coast, remember. Teachers wouldn't stay for love nor money, health, social & emergency workers dreaded being posted there. The latest blow is that because they can't afford to rebuild the crumbling dock, they've lost the cross-channel ferry service to the bigger port just down the road from us. The town hosted an Olympic event but tried too hard to make money out of it; the weather didn't play ball & people stayed away in droves.

YET... it's the most beautiful spot, oft-painted by Turner and Constable. It still has a well-respected fishing industry, and the yachties haven't deserted it. The last few times we've been down there we've been heartened to see little local shops springing up amongst the charity shops, selling fresh local produce at sensible prices as retail rents & rates are much lower than here. It's set in stunning countryside with lots of points of interest nearby; it may have lost the bucket & spade brigade and the matelots, but slowly the walkers, bird-watchers and photographers are re-discovering it.

I think these things go in cycles; a community that loses its latest focus will go through a stage of being depressed, but slowly return to whatever it did best before that focus emerged, then find a new direction and build itself up again. Awful for those who are trapped there when it hits rock bottom, especially when that happens fast, as it did when the mines closed or the Navy withdrew, but somewhere in that gloom & despondency will be the seeds of eventual regeneration.

moneyistooshorttomention

fuddle wrote: »

Society. ever changing eh? I would like to think of it in terms of the canal network. A network needed, very useful, showcases some ingenious architecture and technology, built by hard working people. To see what very nearly, heck did happen to the canals and the hard working regeneration that took place to see the things of beauty we have today, thriving in a different industry.

Yep...I'm rather partial to canals myself. Walks along/holidays on/etc.

....and they are something that was The Past and now could be The Future again - ie an alternative means of transport for goods that may well be needed again in the future (ie instead of lorries on motorways as now).

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fuddle wrote: »

They have thought they can achieve and sought to do so because the opportunities aren't where they grew up.

I am spending my 5 minutes mse time on this thread this morning because I so strongly agree with fuddle on this. I was the eldest of 7 and we all went on to become professionals in careers, one of us appears on tv in a national consumer programme on a regular basis. We had ziltch in the way of possessions and money when we grew up, our neighbours were very rough and ready dockers and immigrants from Ireland but hell we had school and we all worked hard, including many of these so called `rough and ready` types. My area was gold hearted. It was dank, cobble stoned with alley ways, smoke, terraced houses and dog poo everywhere. We were a community and by golly people rallied around when help was needed

We sought to achieve and out of this group came engineers, lawyers, teachers, scientists, expert witnesses, medics. We had the chance because our parents knew that the only way out was by striving. Possessions, pah who needed them when we had good parents and a supporting community

Mar, I accidentally saw `most haunted` this morning. Flipping heck I got gripped. Anything in these progs or is it all about charlatans and making tv

Mojoworking

I was gutted last year America had fabulous snow storms and here on the west side of the country we just got rain rain rain one bit of snow boxing day. The tins make me laugh. I've followed your advice and been getting a couple of tins a week chilli curry mackerel etc I SHOULD have loads. However OH has been snacking on them and DD who is 10 has become addicted to mackerel on toast and has asked me to buy more spicy ones the tomato ones are only "ok"!!!! Its great they are eating them but between them my reserves have gone and they are both notorious for being addicted one day and turn their nose up another!!!

Glad the coal man did carry the coal through the sad thing is more people do claim it makes it harder for genuinely nice people to help as it is them who continually get their fingers burned.

I live in liverpool where everyone is a thief and nothing is safe as my OH and DD are scousers they have never behaved like this as far as I know. I only notice this stereotype when not in liverpool and it is a bit sad. I've met nice horrible kind mean tall short funny rude scousers much like every other race religion or creed. The one thing they all have in common is they all sound alike. I move in lots of community circles and there is always someone I don't like. I just get on with it and clarify what it is they are saying when they upset me too much and challenge the behaviours I see as not nice. They can of course challenge me back but if I'm not sure or not happy I clarify straight away. 9 times out of 10 it's mis understanding. If they are truly being awful once one person speaks up everyone does.

mardatha

I'm not a fan kittie - I would be if it was run by serious good mediums, but that shower are halfwits The RV banned me from watching it because I used to yell at Yvette so much

Mojoworking

Think I'm getting mixes up between here and preparing for winter v thread sorry x

craigywv

mojo your all thieves in Liverpool lol well we are all about a foot tall ,dance constantly to fiddle music look like something from lucky charms box eat nothing but potatoes and its a compulsory topic to take gcse in the art of making things that go bang!....................that's why the tourists in the last 5 years keep coming and coming ,I think not! every where in the world every place is remembered for the bad things not the good xxx