Preparedness for when

ivyleaf

I'm sure I remember someone on here a couple of years ago who knew someone who confirmed that the govt has ration books stored in preparation for any emergency in which rationing may be needed :eek: Scary, but sensible.

Doveling

Sometimes I wish I hadn't read some things:rotfl:but no use fretting about things we cannot alter. I'm going to just carry on organizing the things I can do something about.

Just wondered what the timescales for these events may be though.:(

Thanks for advice on edible flowers. I've just had a look at T & M seed website and it gives a very useful list. (Also a list of books which may help.)

ivyleaf

Oh dear, Doveling, sorry, I didn't mean to make you more anxious. i was just reminiscing

Doveling

Oh, Ivyleaf, I didn't mean about the ration books . Apologies if you thought so

I'd been reading the links about global warming and extremes of weather. Not a lot I can do about those on a Saturday afternoon so I went shopping instead :rotfl:

Karmacat

The weather stuff is quite something, isn't it

I've had a successful day out with fun prep things - Julian Graves has reopened under another name, so I've got 2.5 kg of nuts and seeds, and a kilo of stoned dates, for about £7.75. Plus a big pillar candle for 99p, plus lots of broken shells for the garden, picked up from the beach - mulch and anti-snail measure

I also saw a church thats fairly easy to get to with a *huge* fig tree - too busy a road junction to use the figs for food, but there'll be loads available to experiment with planting, mature ones too, not the immature ones I'm currently experimenting with.

But I've just come online, and seen the Greek news - referendum on whether to accept the latest Institutions offer, but the offer runs out before the referendum date - and all the news from Tunisia those poor people.

It does make me think - its not likely to affect me, but holiday season is coming up, what safety measures are there, that we can take? It sounds like the best thing to do was lock yourself in somewhere out of the way and keep quiet. And be able to run. A few people with injuries from marble chippings too, I noticed - if you protect your eyes with your hands, you won't stop a bullet, of course, but you might protect your sight to be able to continue running at the cost of injuries to your hand Awful, awful thought.

Frugalsod

Karmacat wrote: »

But I've just come online, and seen the Greek news - referendum on whether to accept the latest Institutions offer, but the offer runs out before the referendum date - and all the news from Tunisia those poor people.

It does make me think - its not likely to affect me, but holiday season is coming up, what safety measures are there, that we can take? It sounds like the best thing to do was lock yourself in somewhere out of the way and keep quiet. And be able to run. A few people with injuries from marble chippings too, I noticed - if you protect your eyes with your hands, you won't stop a bullet, of course, but you might protect your sight to be able to continue running at the cost of injuries to your hand Awful, awful thought.

TBH I hope the Greeks exit and do as much damage to the EU as possible on the way out. The ECB and the EU have been despicable towards all the countries in debt but especially the Greeks. Though simply leaving will open up the question of whose next to leave?

Remember all these problems in every country were caused by private banks and the impact of being forced to bail them out destroyed each nation in turn. Though the impacts might take years to be felt. Remember the UK has lost significant tax revenues because the banks have such huge tax losses they will not be paying taxes for years so guess who has to pick up the slack?

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They're in Aldi again.

Price £1-49.

moneyistooshorttomention

I understand the "matter of perspective" viewpoint on this - but, on the other hand, suffering injury or death in those circumstances is due to circumstances totally outside one's personal control (ie you don't know that's where their next chosen target is). However, dying of natural causes is a bit different - alcohol is quite definitely a direct personal choice. A noticeable amount of ill health is down to inadequate preventative health care by the person (obviously not all of it I hasten to add). I think that is what concerns us most - that we could be going about our business as normal and having taken all possible care of our own personal concerns (eg doing that preventive health care) and yet still be on the receiving end of some maniacs actions.

I guess you could say "Well...if they will holiday in a Middle Eastern country...." and I know my own personal choice has been that I had a holiday many years back in Turkey (whilst it still felt safe) and then thought "I'd better forget about Tunisia, Morocco, etc type of country as a holiday destination - because, somewhere along the line, those countries will represent Trouble" and now they do.....but I tend to think that its still reasonable for us to expect to be able to go and have holidays in such countries in perfect safety. I was just being ultra-cautious personally and put a "personal ban" on myself from visiting them some time before it became necessary.

Though, actually, my biggest personal concern is the "land bridge" that has developed allowing a huge inflow of illegals into our country (and that will doubtless include some terrorists deliberately infiltrating us - besides the homegrown ones that aren't British, but have British "nationality"). Thankfully, I do believe that most non-British people living here that, perfectly legitimately, have our "nationality" are perfectly law-abiding - but some "nationality" holders aren't.

GreyQueen

All risks are relative but one doesn't die by percentages of risk, nor is one maimed by them. For those affected, and their family and friends, those losses and agonies are absolute, not relative risks. I think we need to keep that in mind at all times.

For people who knowingly and deliberately take themselseves into conflict zones, like those absolute idiots going off into IS-controlled territories, I have no sympathy. I am furious that they've taken children into war zones, and that the authorities here have been slack enough to allow families that they are apparently watching get away with taking them.

I wouldn't personally choose to holiday in parts of the world where my half of the human race (the female half) are treated as sub-humans with very few rights. I consider that dangerous, nor would I want to put one penny I'd earned into those regimes. Nor would I feel comfortable, as someone who is relatively poor by the standards of this country, buying a holiday somewhere where real desperate poverty afflicts so many. I know women who've come back from places such as Egypt and India vowing never again, the constant sexual harrassment and constant pressure to buy-buy-buy from desperate pedlars ruining the pleasure of being in another country.

I do feel desperately sorry for those regular people who work in the tourist areas of the Tunisian (and the Greek) economies. They didn't cause the violence (nor have they caused the euro crisis), but it is their livelihoods which will be ruined.

Have started reading an absolutely fascinating book, James Rickard's The Death of Money. Am near the beginning and he's describing how, in the days running up to 9/11, there was insider trading in the stock options of United Airlines and American Airlines, whose planes would be used in the hijack. Details it explicitly. And he's pointing out that the terrorists involved in that are financial sophisticates, well-educated men from wealthy families, not ignorant yobs. These guys know how the finanacial markets work, FGS. It isn't beyond the realms of possibility that the world's financial markets could be crashed by a carefully-orchestrated lot of selling, triggering a panic. Never mind what a virus of three dozen could do loose in the financial markets.

Read a brilliant book on earthquakes a few years ago. It was discussing Tokyo. Four techtonic plates meet just off the coast from Tokyo, it is an incredibly seismic part of the world. The city has been destroyed before (used to be called Edo, not Tokyo). The Tokyo stock exchange is a crucial hub in the world's financial network. So, he interviewed them about their resilience planning for when the inevitable big one stuck the city. The exhange's back up servers are in the next building over, not tens of miles outside the city, which would be minimum prudence.

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moneyistooshorttomention

Just goes to show. If I'd read that book, then I would have wondered how come people to do with those 2 airlines had had the knowledge to do that insider trading - and it probably wouldn't have occurred to me that the reason would be = because its Them (terrorists).

I expect a lot of us struggle to get our heads round the fact that some of these terrorists might be highly intelligent people with a remarkable blind spot. The assumption is that intelligent people won't be terrorists - because they are intelligent enough to see through the propaganda these groups put out. I'd never thought it out like that - but I guess the assumption is that the sort of person that would go in for terrorism would be the no-hopers of this world (ie few braincells to think of a better alternative).

Remembers my own (provably) highly intelligent father (and a very nice person in other respects) was in the Armed Forces for some time and was clearly way out of place there in many respects - but it happened. He wouldn't do it again - but the circumstances were such etc etc.

So - yep...I guess...and brain cells struggling to process that..