Preparedness for when

Butterfly_Brain

The Americans have gone too far!

siegemode

Bathory wrote: »

Yes, I remember shops shutting for half days and Sundays. If Christmas and Boxing day fell on a weekend then many shops shut for 4 days because of Bank Holiday Monday/Tuesday. We just had to make sure everything would last. I really hate this 24hr consumer society nowadays.

Just got back from a few days break and catching up on the news about all this black Friday lunacy. Its shocking to see fights over tv sets but I fear there is now no going back from this as more retailers will get involved and it will just get bigger and bigger. OH was out on deliveries at 5am on Friday morning and he said it reminded him of the film 'Dawn of the Dead' with people queuing up at that time waiting for shops to open. Unfortunately though, come Boxing day and it will be mad again.

We were away for a couple of days and preoccupied and only realised that our trip fell on thanksgiving/Black Friday a week or to ago. When we got back and heard the stories I checked u toob and was horrified by the behaviour and volume of people involved. My first thought was how much worse if tshtf.
I stopped going to T's about 3 yrs back after witnessing a scrum around the reductions on a sunday. I'm not easily shocked or upset, but was jostled and pushed by a bunch of animals snatching and grabbing, playing tug o war with ready meals as well as meat etc. I love a bargain, but only for something I need and nothing is worth being caught up in that kind of situation.

Frugalsod wrote: »

Personally I would rather do it all online. I can try and get cash back and then double check that the prices offered are actually a good deal. The last thing you want to do is panic buy something that is not really that cheap. Then just wait for it all to be delivered. So much less trouble. :beer:

When I caught up on the mayhem of it all on u toob there was a woman who had gone for a tv but couldn't get one so she grabbed a dyson instead. She openly admitted that she didn't know wether she wanted it, but had to get something because it was Black Friday wasn't it and she wasn't going home with nothing.

Human behaviour never ceases to sadden and shock me, consumerism gone crazy. It's the marketing and the irresponsible retailers though that are also to blame and they should be handed the bill for all the extra security and policing costs incurred.

moneyistooshorttomention

siegemode wrote: »

Here's more if that concerns you,

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/mar/18/lockheed-martin-targeted-census-protesters

and

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/patriot-act-can-obtain-data-in-europe-researchers-say/

Privacy is a thing of the past:(

Crikey:eek:

I would have to give serious thought as to whether to fill in the census or no if I had the money to have a free choice about it (ie a spare £1,000 to pay the fine for not doing so). I don't have to give a damn about a "criminal record" now for not doing so, being retired:). My only concern would be what it has always been, ie not to have a genuine criminal record (ie for genuine criminal offences) iyswim. The mere fact of being stated to have one for having done something perfectly moral and "non-criminal" like not filling a census in wouldnt turn one extra hair on my head white, but I cant afford that £1,000 penalty for not doing so, so have no real option I guess:(

Sighs...because I'd forgotten to factor in to how much I need in the way of extra savings for the item called "enough money to cover the cost of any fines for doing/not doing something I am perfectly entitled to do, but the Government doesn't agree" and a resultant fine. Mentally adds a few thousand £s extra on top of savings I need for myself:mad::(

moneyistooshorttomention

siegemode wrote: »

I stopped going to T's about 3 yrs back after witnessing a scrum around the reductions on a sunday. I'm not easily shocked or upset, but was jostled and pushed by a bunch of animals snatching and grabbing, playing tug o war with ready meals as well as meat etc. I love a bargain, but only for something I need and nothing is worth being caught up in that kind of situation.

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There's never much of a reduction on items at any supermarkets I normally go to (at least not at the times I go there), but I certainly recall A.N. Other Supermarket I was visiting in at one point where there were several people there by the reductions cabinet quite obviously "standing guard" expecting further reductions and determined not to budge from their place bang in front of it for anyone else to get a look-in. I wasn't after it myself anyway, but couldn't resist "testing their behaviour" to see if it was as bad as I thought it was and duly did the "smile/polite "excuse me please, can I have a look?" routine and they still stood there, as if they were glued to the ground and looked grim-faced blankly back at me. They were all determined no-one else was going to get a peek at what was already in there. I hadn't thought they'd have the nerve to be so **** .

Frugalsod

Butterfly_Brain wrote: »

The Americans have gone too far!

To be honest I really do not think that they care. It is our government that we should be worried about. They are playing to the same tune.

JudyLemieux

The first thing you should be doing for SHTF preparedness is coming up with a SHTF plan.
1. Come up with a Bug Out Plan
2. Come up with a Bug In Plan
3. Come up with a Common Plan
4. Come up with an OPSEC Plan
5. Build a team
6. Develop a training plan
7. Maintain and update your equipment
8. Assign duties
9. Practice your plans
10. Check your progress and your process

mardatha

LOL Judy - in a household of two I think we can dispense with that here... maybe living your whole life as a prepper and using your commonsense is far better eh?

Frugalsod

Personally I think a bug in plan should have a higher priority as it is probably the safest location for all of us and we can load it with what we actually need.

The principle of training is sensible but personally i would rather go camping with my kit and effectively train carrying that lot and using it. It also identifies any problems with kit during a safe period so you can replace anything, and get used to skills like map reading and all without it appearing like an actual training exercise. I hope to do my "training" all around Europe and sight seeing at the same time.

the_cake

Bedsit_Bob wrote: »

I don't think you meant this, but I will mention it anyway.

You cannot bury/cremate an animal, in the same coffin as a human being.

Thanks Bob, no I didn't mean this!! Sadly they are already buried here .....

Butterfly_Brain

Frugalsod wrote: »

To be honest I really do not think that they care. It is our government that we should be worried about. They are playing to the same tune.

Totally Agree