Working hours per week

Citizen-of-Sheldonopolis

Hello, I wonder who can help?

My DH works four day shifts ( supposed to be 6am to 6pm), then four off, then four night shifts (supposed to be 6pm to 6am).

When he wants to take holiday, he has to take 6 days - one from the beginning and end of the shift, when he actually only gets four off - he doesn't get the one t the end and beginning of each shift off - but they are taken from his holiday allowance.

He regularly has to work until 8pm when on days shift - finishing up paperwork.

Last month, he finished a set of 4 night, was sent on a training course for two days straight away, had two days off and went straight back onto days.

I feel like someone somewhere is taking the mickey.

Any advice, please?

C o S

ohreally

Someones taking the mick. Why isn't the paperwork being completed within the shift?

Depending on the type of training, it may have to be conducted during normal working hours.

Savvy_Sue

When he takes a day's holiday, is he paid for them as 12 hour days?

Because I'm wondering if he's asked to take 6 days, because his holiday days are paid for fewer hours?

paddedjohn

He is entitled to a minimum of 19.6 days/shifts paid leave at 12hrs per shift. This can be rounded up by the employer but not down.

Citizen-of-Sheldonopolis

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

When he takes a day's holiday, is he paid for them as 12 hour days?

Because I'm wondering if he's asked to take 6 days, because his holiday days are paid for fewer hours?

hmmm, I don't know. this is what happens...

let's say:

day one - he works a day shift
day two - he works a day shift
day three - he works a day shift
day four - he works a day shift - comes home about 8pm.

day five - rest day
day six - rest day
day seven - rest day
day eight - rest day

day nine - he works a night shift
day ten - he works a night shift
day eleven - he works a night shift
day twelve - he works a night shift, and comes home at 7am on day thirteen.

day thirteen - rest day

etc etc.

But, then he wants holiday and this holiday falls on a 4 day shift pattern:

day one - he works a day shift
day two - he works a day shift
day three - he works a day shift
day four - he works a day shift - comes home about 8pm.

day five - rest day
day six - rest day
day seven - rest day
day eight - rest day

day nine - he works a night shift - [COLOR="rgb(255, 0, 255)"]first day of holiday[/COLOR]
day ten - he works a night shift - [COLOR="rgb(255, 0, 255)"]second day of holiday[/COLOR]
day eleven - he works a night shift - [COLOR="rgb(255, 0, 255)"]third day of holiday
[/COLOR]day twelve - he works a night shift, and comes home at 7am on day thirteen. - fourth day of holiday

day thirteen - rest day
day fourteen - rest day
day fifteen - rest day
day sixteen - rest day

etc etc.

But on his holiday application from, he is being made to take holiday from day eight to day thirteen.

Does that make sense?

CoS

liney

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

When he takes a day's holiday, is he paid for them as 12 hour days?

Because I'm wondering if he's asked to take 6 days, because his holiday days are paid for fewer hours?

That's what I immediately thought. Have they kept the holiday system in 'days' instead of hours meaning they still give him 28, 8 hour days. However they have then realised that this means when he wants 4 days off (48 hours) he effectively needs to book of 6, 8 hour days in order to make 48 hours, ie 6x8=48.

The sensible option would be to work out the standard working week by plotting out the shifts and making an average, then awarding the holidays in hours which would directly correlate to the shifts booked.

Savvy_Sue

Telling us what he has to book doesn't actually help us work out whether this is because he's being paid for 6 shorter holiday days when he's taking 4 longer work days off.

So, how many days' holiday entitlement does he have each year?

And when he takes 6 days holiday when he'd usually work 4, does his pay remain the same?

Citizen-of-Sheldonopolis

he says he gets 38 - but 8 are taken off as training days.

So 30 days per year - jan to dec.

paddedjohn

sounds like the 6 days are a red herring. he is entitled to a min of 19.6 days, round up to 20 but is given 30, these extra 10 account for the days at the beginning and end of his hols.
5 weeks at 4 days=20 days.
5 weeks at 6 days=30 days.

getmore4less

Citizen-of-Sheldonopolis wrote: »

he says he gets 38 - but 8 are taken off as training days.

So 30 days per year - jan to dec.

Should be getting paid if working extra days to do training, if not getting paid they should not be using holiday


I think you need to find out what the real details are, anything written in the contract or staff handbooks etc?

one issue with holidays is they can be descrined in many ways and it is not always cler if the methods used by an employer fit into the legislation.

A lot of companies have policies that are no ,onger valid since they were not updated to meet legilation changes.