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What Should We Teach The Next Generation?
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The problem with degrees is you can never know if someone has worked for it, been given it for free, or has had their 2nd year results extrapolated as they had a nervous breakdown.
Sadly, a 1 day food hygiene course has more educational value and is a better qualification.
NOTE : this is all degrees, not just recent ones. If anything 'piece of paper degrees' were more rife in the past.0 -
And if they don't? Dropouts are the biggest waste of everybody's time and money.IveSeenTheLight wrote: »Those attending university have to either have done the pre-requisits before attending the module / course, else have to do extra study to catch up during."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
And if they don't? Dropouts are the biggest waste of everybody's time and money.
Are they?
If their not prepared to work or prepare for something in advance then maybe you shouldn't have the opportunity.
By their dropping out, does it improve the opportunity of others (less distraction, more opportunity to move on instead of being dragged down to the lowest denominator)
Maybe we could consider entrants exams?
Some places around the world have summer school, for those that need to improve, why not here? Why do we allow kids 8-12 weeks off before the next session?
I'm looking at schooling for my kids (their only 1 & 3 at the moment).
I'm preferring schools with lower class sizes, because the hope is that they get better support and less distraction from those that can't apply themselves accordingly.:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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If every university set its own exams to its own syllabus, schools would be in a totally impossible position.IveSeenTheLight wrote: »Maybe we could consider entrants exams?
This is another reason why universities can only have minimal prerequisites. Even if the students all have a good A level in a certain subject, they will have used different examining boards with different syllabuses."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
Yes. But no progress is possible until we get rid of the idea that non-academic = second-class.I was asking originally about school kids being prepared for the world
One way to do that is to recognise that even kids destined for academia spend way too much time in classrooms. I would claim that a bright 11-year-old knows enough to start a 2-year GCSE programme at 14 and doesn't do anything of much importance in the three years in between. Marking time again.
Either that, or we re-examine whether kids need to be in schools.Perhaps we need to re-examine what schools are actually for."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
If every university set its own exams to its own syllabus, schools would be in a totally impossible position.
This is another reason why universities can only have minimal prerequisites. Even if the students all have a good A level in a certain subject, they will have used different examining boards with different syllabuses.
Ok, lets not complicate things.
I'm sure the university can define the pre-requisits they need in the course.
This can be listed out and the students can clearly see what they need to know.
If they see an item that they don't have good skills at or they did not cover in their school curriculum, they can work on them over the summer.
I recently attended a course through my work which involved a number of things that I had not experienced.
There was some courses (available online, but does not need to be necessarily) that I completed to improve my knowledge so that I maximised my learning whilst on the training course.
Why can't students take the responsibilty for improving themselves, instead of expecting it to be given to them.
This is why many employers value OU degrees higher than at many universities as it demonstrates an individuals desire and ability to self learn.:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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If every university set its own exams to its own syllabus, schools would be in a totally impossible position.
This is another reason why universities can only have minimal prerequisites. Even if the students all have a good A level in a certain subject, they will have used different examining boards with different syllabuses.
The wheel would be turniing full circle there. All the A level boards except AEB were formerly run by universities at one point (back in the 80s and 90s anyway). And even the AEB was located at the Uni of Surrey's campus.
Medical schools, vet schools and oxbridge already have sepafrate entrance exams I beleive in addition to traditional exam requirements.
Competing A level boards are one suggested reason why dumbing down's an issue in England but not the other home nations which have single boards. Competition's not always our friend.There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
we need
-one exam board
-fixed percentage of people getting each grade
-reduce/eliminate options for science and maths
when there is no benefit in dumbing down.
upon entry to uni all students will have a common starting point0 -
Except of course that most students don't even know which university they're going to until about 4 weeks before they go. Doesn't give them much time to give themselves a crash course in all the stuff the university wants them to know that the school didn't teach them. And most won't bother, and what then? This is getting silly.IveSeenTheLight wrote: »If they see an item that they don't have good skills at or they did not cover in their school curriculum, they can work on them over the summer."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
Except of course that most students don't even know which university they're going to until about 4 weeks before they go. Doesn't give them much time to give themselves a crash course in all the stuff the university wants them to know that the school didn't teach them. And most won't bother, and what then? This is getting silly.
Indeed it is getting silly.
Students should have some idea which course they are looking to take.
I'm sure there could be a pretty standard set of pre-requisites that could apply to all.
Even if not, I'd be looking at the 3 / 4 universities I applied for and would check what the pre-requisites were required for them all.
As for "most wont bother" that's their choice, but don;t complain if you don;t understand the basics of what is being taught when you get there.
Think of it another way. If someone joins the army, do you think they should turn up eating a few MacD's weighing 20 stone or would you recommend they achieve / maintain a minimum fitness level.:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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