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  • BobQ
    BobQ Posts: 11,181 Forumite
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    GeorgeHowell wrote: »
    It's not my list. I was responding to someone else's original list. Like I have admitted I don't watch the programme any more so can't answer the question. I am commenting really on the institutional BBC leftist bias which induces them to put on such a programme.

    Sorry George I forgot that it was not you who posted the list!
    Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.
  • GeorgeHowell
    GeorgeHowell Posts: 2,739 Forumite
    donnajunkie wrote: »
    they are in the can get a job bracket. i was talking about those who cant get a job.

    And the differences would appear to be : having a work ethic, having a sense of self responsibility and self respect, being willing and able to get up in the morning and to do something useful within a disciplined environment. What else distinguishes the EE can get a jobs, from most of the UK can't get a job ?
    No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.

    The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

    Margaret Thatcher
  • GeorgeHowell
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    donnajunkie wrote: »
    one of the demonstrations i am thinking of was disabled people who were against cuts to disability benefits. they are ridiculous are they? even if they are why does that not make it news worthy? should they only feature news stories about things you agree with?

    The cuts in disability benefit are aimed at those that Labour called disabled, but who were not really unable to work, in order to mask the true level of unemployment. If genuinely disabled/unable to work people want to demonstrate in order to support that group then they are simply damaging their own cause.
    No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.

    The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

    Margaret Thatcher
  • GeorgeHowell
    GeorgeHowell Posts: 2,739 Forumite
    donnajunkie wrote: »
    how do you know people wont be left with not enough to live on? when they decide to make a cut it is a sweeping cut and no thought is put into it at all expect in regard to how much money it will save.

    The money that will be saved belongs to those of us who do pay tax and do not draw benefits, so that's fine with me. The welfare state was intended to help those unreasonably disadvantaged who cannot help themselves. It's been hijacked over the years by the lefties and do-gooders and bleeding hearts to be an easy way out for the lazy, the f e c k less, and the irresponsible. That's got to stop.

    Also the definition of poverty has been redefined by the left to be relative, so that 'enough to live on' now means not feeling worse off than people who work and pay tax, instead of just being fed, watered, and sheltered. That's got to stop too.
    No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.

    The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

    Margaret Thatcher
  • IveSeenTheLight
    IveSeenTheLight Posts: 13,322 Forumite
    GeorgeHowell wrote: »
    Also the definition of poverty has been redefined by the left to be relative, so that 'enough to live on' now means not feeling worse off than people who work and pay tax, instead of just being fed, watered, and sheltered. That's got to stop too.

    I've worked and visited many areas which are impoverished and it's a very humbling experience.
    I've witnesses countries which don;t support their society and the people either have to fend for themselves or go without.

    I'm all for providing a safetynet in society but believe it should be just that a safetynet, not a lifestyle choice.

    Barely enough to survive on, put on extra layers to reduce heatin costs, go to bed early to save on lighting, not watching television to save electricity etc etc etc.
    It may same harsh but I'm sure it would motivate those that can to go out and get a job.
    :wall:
    What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
    Some men you just can't reach.
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  • donnajunkie
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    ukcarper wrote: »
    Do you really think all the people claiming disabillity benefits are disabled. Admittedly things have swung to far the other way but something had to be done and hopefully they will fall back to a point where people who deserved them will get them and those who don't won't.
    we werent talking about assessment of who is entitled but ok lets do it. they are just finding excuses to kick as many as possible off disability benefits. only today i was talking to a bloke who has recently had a brain operation and also cant use his left arm. he showed me a letter he has got refering him onto the work programme.
  • donnajunkie
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    chewmylegoff wrote: »

    The reality is that both benefit claimants and taxpayers will have to take the pain, the solution is arbitrary and benefit cuts and tax rises.
    other than the usual tax rises that happen anyway. what other tax rises have occurred. income tax hasnt changed at all has it? it is unfair to expect the people at the very bottom to take the majority of the pain.
  • lisyloo
    lisyloo Posts: 30,094 Forumite
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    only today i was talking to a bloke who has recently had a brain operation and also cant use his left arm

    I don't know the circs of his brain operation, but I can do my typing/move my mouse without a left arm.
    Also he could work in a call center on the phone with one arm.

    I'm not being harsh, in fact I think it's completely wrong to write people off just because they have a disability.
    Of course we don't know anything about the brain thing, but physical disabilities should not stop people using computers and phones in a lot of cases.

    You aren't doing the disabled any favours by writing them off.
  • GeorgeHowell
    GeorgeHowell Posts: 2,739 Forumite
    donnajunkie wrote: »
    we werent talking about assessment of who is entitled but ok lets do it. they are just finding excuses to kick as many as possible off disability benefits. only today i was talking to a bloke who has recently had a brain operation and also cant use his left arm. he showed me a letter he has got refering him onto the work programme.

    And why not ? There may well be jobs that he could do. Some people with severe disabilities hold down jobs, and are pleased to do so because it helps them retain independence and self respect. For both the able bodied and for many of the disabled it's all about attitude of mind. There are those who see it necessary and beneficial to pull their weight, and then there are those who will skive, mump off the rest of society, and blame all their own deficiencies on someone else if they can get away with it. The left sees such individuals as victims, and their f e c k lessness as a sort of disablity in itself which has to be compensated by the welfare estate. That point of view is of course damaging garbage, but after 13 years of Labour it has become an entrenched stance which is proving difficult to turn around.
    No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.

    The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

    Margaret Thatcher
  • donnajunkie
    donnajunkie Posts: 32,412 Forumite
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    Zekko wrote: »
    Let them cut back on cigarettes, alchohol, sky TV and mobile phone contracts. Then there is a real incentive to work.
    anyone who gets excessive with those things are obviously sacrificing things they should be buying instead. most people arent that irresponsible. they could also be living with parents for free. what about those who arent doing that? with sky tv if the bill is split among everyone in the house it becomes very cheap.
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