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Uncertain

slim1690 wrote: »

I'm more annoyed that I got sacked for one audit failure when there are people who've failed three or four who haven't been sacked. Hence the unfair dismissal claim.

I'm afraid that doesn't, in itself, mean your dismissal was unfair.

To what extend a large company will fight a claim can vary enormously. Some will look to settle claims they may well have been able to successfully defend simply because it is cheaper and less time consuming. Others however will fight all the way pretty much regardless of cost even if they have little chance of winning.

Savvy_Sue

fleesaurus wrote: »

Apply for jobs not requiring a reference. Claim a close relative was dying from a fatal but slowly progressing illness and needed you to be at home to take care of him/her. Or you can pretend you went travelling but make sure you don't pretend you travelled overseas in case they check your passport.

Or you can say you were financially privileged in the past so didn't need to work, but now your financial status has changed so you're looking to get back into employment.

It strikes me as a really really bad idea to start inventing things. The OP has already found that not being honest about the reason for dismissal is a reason for dismissal from his new job. Remembering what lie you told, and continuing to tell it convincingly, is extremely difficult. (Granted may only have lied by omission about the reason for dismissal, but the principle remains sound).

Although FWIW travelling around Europe probably wouldn't generate any evidence in a passport. The only time my passport's had anything done to it was entering the USA!

slim1690

Uncertain wrote: »

I'm afraid that doesn't, in itself, mean your dismissal was unfair.

To what extend a large company will fight a claim can vary enormously. Some will look to settle claims they may well have been able to successfully defend simply because it is cheaper and less time consuming. Others however will fight all the way pretty much regardless of cost even if they have little chance of winning.

That's just one reason, I've got a lot more than that to submit to the court. I'm willing to listen if they approach me to settle without going to court, if not then I'll fight them every step of the way.

KiKi

An ET for unfair dismissal will only look at whether they followed due process in accordance with the law, and their own processes.

They won't make judgements on business decisions, such as whether other people being kept on was fair.

KiKi

fleesaurus

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

It strikes me as a really really bad idea to start inventing things. The OP has already found that not being honest about the reason for dismissal is a reason for dismissal from his new job. Remembering what lie you told, and continuing to tell it convincingly, is extremely difficult. (Granted may only have lied by omission about the reason for dismissal, but the principle remains sound).

Although FWIW travelling around Europe probably wouldn't generate any evidence in a passport. The only time my passport's had anything done to it was entering the USA!

The reality is no employer gives a damn about honesty. All they'll see is OP got sacked.

dandelionclock30

At the end of the day OP you have to do the best you can for yourself. A lot of employers will get advice before they sack people.Also like someone elce has the fact that other people have got away with it makes no difference.The company can say the circumstances were different etc or that it never happened.Your colleagues wont support you against the company.
Theres no harm in asking them for a negotiated reference, maybe they will help you out, you dont know till you ask them.
If they dont then you have two choices really as I see it.Tell the truth or lie. Fair enough people say be open and honest! ok. right, have they ever got a job from that position themselves or employed someone from that position?.
Why would an employer chose someone who had been sacked over 100 other candidates who hadnt?.
Thats what your up against and you will have to make your own choices.

peach_uk

...do you have any friends/co-workers at your ex-work that could write a reference for you on company headed paper, as this would still show it's from your last employer, you could take it with you to an interview, pre-empt the next move? Is there someone you could ask to give you a reference over the telephone to a propective employer? Could it be a case of "constructive dismissal" as the treatment you are experiencing is pretty harsh! I feel for you, good luck.

peach_uk

...........also contact Institute of Personnel Management & Development, and find out if the company are registered to Practice Personnel,,,I think that if a company is of a certain size, the HR peeps have to have all the necessary blah, blah hence whoever is in charge, have to register their name with them. You could turn the tables on them. Bad practices, that person will be struck off!

peach_uk

...you can also phone in sick with anxity and depression before the meeting, they can't do anything until you return.

Uncertain

peach_uk wrote: »

...........also contact Institute of Personnel Management & Development, and find out if the company are registered to Practice Personnel,,,I think that if a company is of a certain size, the HR peeps have to have all the necessary blah, blah hence whoever is in charge, have to register their name with them. You could turn the tables on them. Bad practices, that person will be struck off!

Well, that is a new one!

I would be 99.999% certain that is complete rubbish! Sorry!

There are remarkably few occupations in this country where you have to be registered with a particular body to be able to practice. There are also a few others where is is customary or almost universal without being a legal requirement. HR is not one of them.