Router 'Stealing' Bandwidth?

GRM

Which Draytek? Some of them max out at 50Mb/s - see http://draytek.co.uk/products/comparison.html for the details.

banger9365

for starters thier is not many speed test sites that say the right speed on virgin ,they messed that up with how they route stuff ,
try this one,it works for me,it might not work for you
http://www.speedtester.bt.com/beta/speedtest-remote.jsp
second there is a problem with the draytek's on anything above 50Mbs wan to lan ,thats why most people use the asus rt-n56u now @990Mbs wan to lan ,
third it might be nothing to do with your set up put just rubbish virgin in your area , the last speed upgrade is now showing how bad virgins network is,
by the way i do not get full speed until after midnight ,the rest is from 50 to 90 ,browsing,gaming ,and VoIP seam ok still .unlike some people,and mine is better than most

phoneguy

If I had to put my money on which device was causing the problem (if in fact there is a problem and this is not just plain old Virgin Media contention and throughput issues) I'd put my money on the Draytek.

People buy them thinking they are all singing, all dancing, quality routers but they are a bit pants and just overpriced. On the plus side, some have some semi decent logging and stats and you may be able to look for any obvious problems / network collisions etc. Also worth power-cycling it to dump/clear the CAM & NAT tables especially if you have a ton of torrents running.

As for auto-negotiate, the case used to be that the only thing on a network that should be set to autoneg were workstations. Everything else should be set in stone manually - or that's how they used to teach us way back in my Cisco days, but I doubt if a duplex or speed mismatch is causing the small amount of slowing you are seeing.

Naf

-TangleFoot- wrote: »

On both routers? It's kinda like DHCP in that respect - you only need the one.

Maybe I have the NAT set up wrong then... :-S
I'm no expert so I have made sure that the 'Super'Hub forwards all the right stuff to the Draytex, then the Draytek forwards that on to the right PC in its DHCP pool. Which is it best to set it on (I use uTorrent, various remote controls, VNC software, a local and web print server, VLC streamer,).

GRM wrote: »

Which Draytek? Some of them max out at 50Mb/s - see http://draytek.co.uk/products/comparison.html for the details.

Mine's the 2830n, it has '50' in the 'Firewall Mb/s' column. Does that mean the firewall tops out at that speed, so it'll go faster with it off?
Seems strange it could be that, as I'm getting 60M on tests even behind the Draytek, and my torrents actually reach closer to 70M (8.5MB/s down, and 975kB/s Up)

debitcardmayhem wrote: »

Perhaps I was unclear I meant is the WAN port on the Draytek set to Autonegotiate (for speed and duplex) In theory if it is Gigabit then it should be auto negotiate , I believe on Vigors it is set as "AN" but I haven't had my hands one a Draytek since the days before 1000BaseT was around..sorry ...don't know if this may help too
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=draytek+auto+negotation

Yes, that's set to autonegotiate.

Naf

banger9365 wrote: »

for starters thier is not many speed test sites that say the right speed on virgin ,they messed that up with how they route stuff ,

Actually, when the virgin service person dialled into my PC remotely, she logged into their own speed tester (http://speedtest2.virginmedia.com/speedtest/) and clicked for my Mozilla to remember the password
That actually only says I get 13M though, doh!

banger9365 wrote: »

third it might be nothing to do with your set up put just rubbish virgin in your area , the last speed upgrade is now showing how bad virgins network is,

Its not that, the results above are different because I took one direct off the 'Super'Hub, and the other from behind the Draytek. Its the loss from one to the other I'm confused about.

banger9365 wrote: »

by the way i do not get full speed until after midnight ,the rest is from 50 to 90 ,browsing,gaming ,and VoIP seam ok still .unlike some people,and mine is better than most

Yeah, thought that could be it, is why I took both of the tests above early in the morning.

-TangleFoot-

Naf wrote: »

Maybe I have the NAT set up wrong then...

If you want your Draytek to do all the work you'll need to put the Superhub into bridge mode; it should act like a simple cable modem then.

Naf

-TangleFoot- wrote: »

If you want your Draytek to do all the work you'll need to put the Superhub into bridge mode; it should act like a simple cable modem then.

Yeah, I'd done that with my previous ISP. Wasn't sure it'd work with a cable connection? I'd just need to get the settings from Virgin then?

-TangleFoot-

Naf wrote: »

I'd just need to get the settings from Virgin then?

Apparently there's not that much you need to do.

DNS address settings

• Primary address: 194.168.4.100
• Secondary address: 194.168.8.100

Naf

-TangleFoot- wrote: »

Apparently there's not that much you need to do.

lol, I use Google DNS anyway

banger9365

Naf wrote: »

lol, I use Google DNS anyway

that might be your problem ,virgin could be routing it the long way round :rotfl: