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its a megawatt!

edited 30 November -1 at 1:00AM in Green & Ethical MoneySaving
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edited 30 November -1 at 1:00AM in Green & Ethical MoneySaving
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system install date was december 6th 2011 so near to it 6 months and its now generated a megawatt!

2kw system , 10 x suvelo 200w panels , sunny boy 1700 invertor , 178 degree south facing 50 degree pitch roof
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  • edited 10 June 2012 at 7:56PM
    grahamc2003grahamc2003 Forumite
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    edited 10 June 2012 at 7:56PM
    A MW is wishfull thinking for a 2kW system. The inverter is telling you you've generated a MWh (megawatt hour) of energy.

    Interestingly (or maybe not), Drax at full whack generates your 6 month output in just over a second.

    Or, put another way, you'd need about 2 million of your (and my) sized systems at full power to match Drax at full power.
  • edited 10 June 2012 at 9:29PM
    HalloweenJackHalloweenJack Forumite
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    edited 10 June 2012 at 9:29PM
    aye i know (lol) - 6 months to generate that , but still - a happy `milestone` - maybe take all these panels and stick them in a field in south west england :D

    Didnt know that about DRAX - but given nuclear stations are being quietly sidelined , lack of companies wanting to build them, what will replace the equipment being turned off!


    *barrage* cough
  • Martyn1981Martyn1981 Forumite
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    Congrats HJ. So approx 2MWh pa from 2kWp, that's some pretty good generation. Role on the next 69 (40 years?). ;)

    Oh, and there's still three companies interested in building nukes, E, D & F!

    Mart.
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    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
  • KevinGKevinG Forumite
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    You've done pretty well there, my 2kWp system has generated 886.7kWh since 6th December, roughly SSE facing, 37 degree pitch.
    Baxi Ecogen 24/1.0 Micro-CHP boiler installed Oct-2010; 2kWp Solar PV - 10*200W Kioto, SMA Sunny Boy 2000HF, SSE facing, some shading in winter, 37° pitch, installed Jun-2011, inverter replaced Sep-2017.
  • Or, put another way, you'd need about 2 million of your (and my) sized systems at full power to match Drax at full power.

    How many Drax's, probably Europes dirtiest power station, would it take to match German PV around midday in late May when they broke the world record, over 20GW? Haven't they already installed the UK's target for 2020?
  • jamesingramjamesingram Forumite
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    1 GW PV currently installed UK

    Bloomberg has published this report:
    http://www.bnef.com/WhitePapers/download/82
    Claims PV is already cheaper than conventional electricity in Australia,Denmark,Germany,Hawaii,Italy and Spain.
  • Martyn1981Martyn1981 Forumite
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    1 GW PV currently installed UK

    Bloomberg has published this report:
    http://www.bnef.com/WhitePapers/download/82
    Claims PV is already cheaper than conventional electricity in Australia,Denmark,Germany,Hawaii,Italy and Spain.

    James, that's a fascinating report. Glad I did a speed reading course many, many years ago!

    Here's some more numbers to keep you thinking, what does a unit of domestic PV leccy cost today v's a unit of new nuke leccy?

    PV, 4kWp, generating a modest 3,200kWh's pa, and install costing £7k. Assume PV output drops to 80% in 25 years, and a new inverter is needed during that period.

    £8k (£7k + £1k) divided by 3200 * 25 years * 0.9 (average output) =

    £8k / 72,000 = 11p/kWh

    or 40 years, 2 inverters, and dropping to 75% output

    £9k / 3200 * 40 * 0.875 =

    £9k / 112,000 = 8p

    Excluding the cost of insurance and decommissioning, best guesses at nuclear are between 10p and 13p per kWh. Plus a 10 to 12 year wait!

    PV prices are still falling, nuclear prices have bottomed.

    Mart.
    Mart. Cardiff. 5.58 kWp PV systems (3.58 ESE & 2.0 WNW)

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
  • Ben84Ben84 Forumite
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    How many Drax's, probably Europes dirtiest power station, would it take to match German PV around midday in late May when they broke the world record, over 20GW? Haven't they already installed the UK's target for 2020?

    I visited Drax some years ago. I remember a few things, mainly the vast size of the plant and the huge volume of coal it burns every day, but also that it's quite an efficient coal plant. So, it depends how you define dirtiest power plant. On a per kWh produced basis it's one of the better coal plants, but as a coal plant it compares badly to gas or nuclear plants because of the fuel it burns.
  • edited 13 June 2012 at 8:53PM
    jamesingramjamesingram Forumite
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    edited 13 June 2012 at 8:53PM
    From the horses mouth
    "We have committed to a £100 million capital investment programme to upgrade our high pressure and low pressure turbines. The result will be an improvement in our overall baseload efficiency of 5%, taking it towards 40%, and an annual saving of one million tonnes of CO2."
    http://www.draxgroup.plc.uk/corporate_responsibility/climatechange/efficiency/

    So converts primary fuel to electricial energy at 40% efficiency.
    Doesn't sound that good to me :)

    At least half the coal comes from South africa or siberia.
    "It is Britain's biggest emitter of carbon dioxide – about 22m tonnes in a typical year. It emits as much CO2 as one-quarter of all Britain's cars, and more than all the planes taking off from Heathrow in a year. It emits more than the whole of Sweden."
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/25/greenwash-drax-power-plant

    http://www.sandbag.org.uk/maps/emissionsmap/?place=empty
    type drax into search for carbon trading info
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    So converts primary fuel to electricial energy at 40% efficiency.
    Doesn't sound that good to me :)


    By coal fired power station standards it's pretty good.

    All very well to say that we ought to try and get better efficiencies but it's rather difficult to see how that might happen. Closing Drax down would probably reduce the overall efficiency of the nation's generating capacity AND leave us with a huge gap in the amount of power citizens want to use and our ability to supply it.

    By comparison, Solar Panels convert sunlight to electrical energy at something like 15% efficiency.
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