Can you be sacked for not doing overtime?

Welshwoofs

Mista_C wrote: »

As long as you're not being expected to work them.

I very much doubt the op's employers are making him work 7 days a week.

No one said anything about children playing up at school. There was a recent debate on who should teach their children to swim, for example. Don't be so blinkered.

a) What does swimming have to do with the thread and b) What on earth does it matter who teaches a kid to swim as long as they can?

Presumably you're one of those who think raising a child is easy for one parent.

Another poster who likes to make assumptions apropos of nothing. Oh joy.

ETA: I'm one of those who has taken on parental responsibility of someone elses child. His real Dad rarely sees him because he's always working. This child has been asking, since around the age of 7, why his Dad doesn't want to spend time with him and would rather spend his time at "stupid work".

Rather than your step-child being a blueprint for all children in that circumstance, could it perhaps be that your step-child is atypical - perhaps a little bit whingy or a bit spoilt?

This child is now 9 and has decided he doesn't want to work when he's older because it will keep him away from his family.

A 9yr old kid who's already thinking about family and work? Does he also talk about pension plans and the performance of the FTSE 100?

So no, I don't think it causes behavioural problems but I do think when a child is missing one parent through them constantly working OT it has a negative effect in that childs impression of work.

That's quite a sweeping conclusion to draw from one child's reaction isn't it? Using your logic, all the offspring of military personnel for instance would have a bad work ethic. Presumably you have evidence to back up this assertion about children? Perhaps some statistics to show that children from families where one or both parents work a lot are more likely to end up unemployed? I'd be interested to see those

scooby088

Both my parents worked and i am unemployed, not for the want of trying to get a job.

But back to topic, the OP said he doesn't mind doing overtime but when there isn't an enhanced rate of pay to do said overtime he has no motivation to do it. It's also a sad fact that the OP is no better of working than when he was on benefits.

princessdon

scooby088 wrote: »

Both my parents worked and i am unemployed, not for the want of trying to get a job.

But back to topic, the OP said he doesn't mind doing overtime but when there isn't an enhanced rate of pay to do said overtime he has no motivation to do it. It's also a sad fact that the OP is no better of working than when he was on benefits.

Both true BUT he hasn't got a reference from old employer as they went into liquidation so to be "fired for unwillingness to do reasonable overtime as per his contract" won't go down well in future job search. Sometimes the bigger and longer picture is worth considering than the short term one.

j.e.j.

That's why it might be better to quit (espcially as OP has a little bit of money in the bank to fall back on). That way they can put on their cv that they left due to long working hours which weren't stipulated in the job app, and family ties/responsibilities.

princessdon

j.e.j. wrote: »

That's why it might be better to quit (espcially as OP has a little bit of money in the bank to fall back on). That way they can put on their cv that they left due to long working hours which weren't stipulated in the job app, and family ties/responsibilities.

OP was out of work for a longer period of time than they liked before this job and as they got stat min from the govt it won't last for ever. Far better to be looking whilst in work then who knows maybe they can use the money for a lovely family holiday somewhere special between starting the new job.

ILW

j.e.j. wrote: »

That's why it might be better to quit (espcially as OP has a little bit of money in the bank to fall back on). That way they can put on their cv that they left due to long working hours which weren't stipulated in the job app, and family ties/responsibilities.

As an potential employer, that CV would go straight in the bin.
Along with the ones that say such things as personality clash and misunderstanding over expenses.

Welshwoofs

j.e.j. wrote: »

That way they can put on their cv that they left due to long working hours which weren't stipulated in the job app, and family ties/responsibilities.

They could do....if they wanted their CV to be lofted straight into the bin. You never put in a CV all the things you won't do or don't want to do.

Looking at the op's previous postings, it seems to me that he's created one bloody big barrier for himself by choosing to not learn to drive when he lives in an area with poor public transparent and where everything is 'miles apart'. That is obviously going to cut down the radius of his job hunt (and therefore his opportunites) down considerably.

I also understand that he has skills as a carpenter. Now if it were me, I'd be using my time in this hateful job to fund driving lessons and then if there were no jobs in my widened radius I'd look at buying a 2nd hand van and some tools, popping an ad in the local paper and getting myself established as a self-employed carpenter, handyman or something of that ilk.

Mista_C

Welshwoofs wrote: »

I very much doubt the op's employers are making him work 7 days a week.

Because that never happens? I've worked 14 hour days, 7 days a week throughout the whole summer on many occasions. I also know many others have done the same.

a) What does swimming have to do with the thread and b) What on earth does it matter who teaches a kid to swim as long as they can?

a) You assumed I was talking about behaviour when I mentioned parental responsibility. The thread I mentioned was about schools no longer providing swimming lessons and that it should be down to the parents. Many people on that thread shot down parents who said they didn't have the hours in the day to do this, e.g. spend time with their kids. According to you that's not a problem. b) It doesn't matter who teaches them but I didn't see you on thread defending the actions of parents who worked away from their families.

Another poster who likes to make assumptions apropos of nothing. Oh joy.

I was actually mimicking your previous comment with that statement. I guess you were too busy making assumptions to notice?

Rather than your step-child being a blueprint for all children in that circumstance, could it perhaps be that your step-child is atypical - perhaps a little bit whingy or a bit spoilt?

Oh, another assumption on your part? I was actually using my step-son as an example as to how children are affected rather than your whiney parent approach, that's not putting him forward as a blueprint, it's an example. Besides he's not the only child I've met who has voiced a similar opinion.

A 9yr old kid who's already thinking about family and work? Does he also talk about pension plans and the performance of the FTSE 100?

Children think about family from an early age. Their whole school lives are geared towards working later. Do you really have such little interaction with kids that you are blissfully unaware of this?

That's quite a sweeping conclusion to draw from one child's reaction isn't it? Using your logic, all the offspring of military personnel for instance would have a bad work ethic. Presumably you have evidence to back up this assertion about children? Perhaps some statistics to show that children from families where one or both parents work a lot are more likely to end up unemployed? I'd be interested to see those

It's not really though is it? I put one child forward as an example as to how they can be affected based on your assumption that...

Presumably you're one of those who believe that the absence of one parent for a bit causes behavioural problems.

...I was talking about behaviour. I was suggesting that it is more likely to have an affect on the child than simply being a case of the parents being spineless for not wanting to be away from their children, as you put it in your first post on the thread.

As you once again assume I'm making a sweeping conclusion from the one example I put forward to the thinking of a single child maybe you should provide the evidence for your criteria? Why would I waste my time looking for evidence to put forth to contradict you when you're the one making the sweeping generalisations on how parent-child relationships aren't that important when you have a job?

From what I can gather from your previous posts you believe that having one parent missing for large periods of time is not detrimental to children in any way, shape or form. Do you want to show me some evidence that this is not the case. I'm not going to suggest you restrict it to children of military personnel either.

Actually, don't bother. Having read back your comments during "Preview Post" I can see you like to take a comment and then push it to an extreme to argue against in order to gauge a disproportional response.
I've given my view on the subject and I'm not that interested in playing the "links or it didn't happen" game with you. Parents working out in the real world know the situation I'm talking about, whether you agree or not.

j.e.j.

Welshwoofs wrote: »

Now if it were me, I'd be using my time in this hateful job to fund driving lessons and then if there were no jobs in my widened radius I'd look at buying a 2nd hand van and some tools, popping an ad in the local paper and getting myself established as a self-employed carpenter, handyman or something of that ilk.

But it's not you
And you'd be hard-pushed to fund driving lessons and a driving test on a minimum wage, not to mention the van and the tools, bearing in mind the OP presumably also has the usual expenses like rent and bills etc to pay.

Good idea about the ad, though, and trying to get established on his own.

DCFC79

j.e.j. wrote: »

But it's not you
And you'd be hard-pushed to fund driving lessons and a driving test on a minimum wage, not to mention the van and the tools, bearing in mind the OP presumably also has the usual expenses like rent and bills etc to pay.

Good idea about the ad, though, and trying to get established on his own.

No not really workable on nmw but surely being in work its something he could look forward too eg find better paid job to then save up to fund the lessons etc.