Can you be sacked for not doing overtime?

josie.d

Good luck with your job hunting, hope it all works out for you

TrickyWicky

ILW wrote: »

You spent ages going on about how you could not get a job. Now you have one you are moaning about too much work.

Yes and someone like you blacklisted falko in a previous thread with a comment like that and made us all think that falko was a slacker.

In that previous thread falko also said he was humping tree logs around all day and lifting them onto a conveyer belt etc. Hardly easy work but more like physically exhausting. While its easy for office workers to slag off people who don't want to work more than 40 hours you should try being in a physically demanding job before slagging off someone who doesn't want to do OT.

I did 84 hours in a week once and apart from the sleep being interruped and the mental drain of working with a waster of a boss, it was pretty easy. If I had to do a job like falkos I'd be screwed.

So go ahead, give falko a hard time if you want but remember you're the one who's really in the wrong here.

@falko: I don't think they can but you need to check your contract - if it says you will work overtime as needed then you're screwed.

scooby088

For me the probationary period is always the key, sometimes you set a president with yourself, you want to do your best in those three months and do things you normally don't do, I was in a physically demanding role for eight years and was always being asked to do overtime but always refused to do it even within the three months. Think my boss hated it when I did do overtime as i said I only do it when i needed the extra money for holidays.

But what is a reasonable amount of overtime I have to say at I see 5 hours is enough in a week.

jobbingmusician

The problem is that they can sack you for virtually anything in the first two years, now. But if they are forcing you to work more than 48 hours a week, you should win an ET for your dismissal. (Can't remember what it's called. Not unfair dismissal, which kicks in only after the qualifying period)

LittleVoice

With standard hours of 8 am to 5.15 pm, how do you get to 43 hours/week?

Your contract says "you will be required to work a reasonable amount of additional hours when necessary". You would not be the sole judge of what is "reasonable".

You've been in the job for about a month. That is rather soon to be thinking about claiming JSA again if you behave in a way that means the company decide to dismiss you.

You say you "want to work yes just not for an employer who wants everything for nothing". Of course, your overtime is not "for nothing", you are remunerated.

Good luck with your continued jobsearch.

LittleVoice

jobbingmusician wrote: »

The problem is that they can sack you for virtually anything in the first two years, now. But if they are forcing you to work more than 48 hours a week, you should win an ET for your dismissal. (Can't remember what it's called. Not unfair dismissal, which kicks in only after the qualifying period)

It is "unfair dismissal" if proved that an employee was dismissed because they were attempting to exercise their statutory right to not work more than 48 hours/week on average. It is one of the "no qualifying length of employment" grounds. It also requires that the employee had not signed an opt-out declaration which was still in force.

falko89

LittleVoice wrote: »

With standard hours of 8 am to 5.15 pm, how do you get to 43 hours/week?

Your contract says "you will be required to work a reasonable amount of additional hours when necessary". You would not be the sole judge of what is "reasonable".

You've been in the job for about a month. That is rather soon to be thinking about claiming JSA again if you behave in a way that means the company decide to dismiss you.

You say you "want to work yes just not for an employer who wants everything for nothing". Of course, your overtime is not "for nothing", you are remunerated.

Good luck with your continued jobsearch.

Whats reasonable to one person can be unreasonable to another, for me anything over 40+ hours is to long for a start, never mind expecting you to do overtime on top for min wage I might add, I was unemployed, I applied for a totally different job in the company which was earning £80 pw more than I am getting now only to be told it was gone or rather probably didn't exist in the first place, I was offered this job on the spot, if I declined I would bet I'd be no sooner out the door than they'd be on the phone to the job centre = benefits cut, had this all be layed out on the table before hand I wouldn't even of applied, I got badly caught but then thats what they wanted.

Its actually a well thought out plan if your a company with a bad reputation, Advertise a job with a decent salary etc, lower hours, yes was advertised as 39 and wait for the unemployed to apply, once you get one through the door pull the carpet away from under them and if they don't like what you offering get onto the JSA.

scooby088

Maybe you should ask for overtime rates to be applied to any hours over your contracted hours of work, i really can't see the appeal of working overtime for normal pay and not much of an incentive really.

falko89

scooby088 wrote: »

Maybe you should ask for overtime rates to be applied to any hours over your contracted hours of work, i really can't see the appeal of working overtime for normal pay and not much of an incentive really.

Finally someone who sees it the same way as me, yes there is no incentive. £6 odd is hardly an incentive.

scooby088

falko89 wrote: »

Finally someone who sees it the same way as me, yes there is no incentive. £6 odd is hardly an incentive.

I get sent for jobs on nights for minimum wage and those jobs were normally paid at an enhanced rate to make it look more appealing, but I can't really say minimum wage for nights get's my enthusiasm for working into gear.