George Osborne MUST now U-Turn 'Granny Tax'!

teajug

browniej wrote: »

It appears that you now have.

Wow, you are far too clever for this forum. :j:j

margaretclare

So we now have to compare and contrast how many disabilities we all have? This thread continues to plumb new depths.

Where I was yesterday it was all about young people. And some of them have already surmounted huge difficulties of all kinds, to walk across that stage and receive their awards from the Dean of College. One didn't, in fact, walk across. She was in a wheelchair. A couple of the others were on crutches. Every year I'm tremendously impressed by the efforts they've put in. It's one of my charities - I get invited every year as a VIP. On the way up we listened to Ed Miliband talking about the English working-class, and I remembered my roots in that same English working-class. My generation was the first to be given the kind of opportunities that enabled me to do far better in material terms than any of my ancestors. I'm never sure about this working-class/middle-class argument, but describing 'middle-class pensioners' - does that include me? It's like an essay question - what is middle-class?

I don't compare with other countries because in some, I'm pretty sure I would have a miserable life and would have had no opportunities at all. I've worked in Saudi Arabia - they are not even sending a women's team to the Olympics because women just do not play sport!

margaretclare

Well, I've just learned something now. DH and I are 'wealthy'! And we are 'fit'! You learn something every day.

I am afraid I do not see the 'pride' in not claiming an allowance to which one might be entitled. Do you get a medal for that 'pride'? Does it keep you warm in your bed at night, or put food on to the table? Certainly it is an individual's own choice if they prefer to become a martyr - but in what cause? What purpose does it serve?

MonkeyMad

Some are not too proud to claim an age related tax allowance though?? Why are pensioners too proud to claim additional benefit they are entitled to if they have to apply for it but never too proud to accept money if it is just given to them? Sixty years into the modern welfare state its hardly seen as charity any more is it? Everyone has the privilege of not claiming, just don't expect others to listen to them telling us how poor they are because of it

teajug

margaretclare wrote: »

Well, I've just learned something now. DH and I are 'wealthy'! And we are 'fit'! You learn something every day.

I am afraid I do not see the 'pride' in not claiming an allowance to which one might be entitled. Do you get a medal for that 'pride'? Does it keep you warm in your bed at night, or put food on to the table? Certainly it is an individual's own choice if they prefer to become a martyr - but in what cause? What purpose does it serve?

Well, you would be more wealthier than a single OAP living on one fixed income. As you also know, there are many different kinds of disability some more server than others. There is no need to name them as you will spin it to look like they all refer to you.

I did say it is OAP prerogative whether they wanted to make a claim or not. Some OAP's get by on one small income as some OAP's needs are not always the same and they do not need holidays a couple of times year or have a car to run, surely you should know that from your working in a care home. Also it has nothing to do with being a martyr it has to do with the individual’s principles they are allowed them you know.

margaretclare

To teajug: first, I do not use the term OAP, because it is unnecessarily insulting and demeaning to anyone of an older generation. It is also inaccurate. 'Old age' pensions belong to an earlier era - maybe around the time of the much-discussed 1925 Budget - when the aged poor were given 10 shillings a week to keep them out of the workhouse. Nowadays people get state retirement pensions and those who start getting them at 60 or even 65 do not regard themselves as being 'old'.

You keep referring to the times I worked in care homes. This was following redundancy coincidental with widowhood when I did almost anything (legal!) to keep the roof over my head. I did - mostly - odd shifts on a casual replacement basis. I don't know how much you think I learned from all that - from my point of view, not much, except that they were good places to stay out of as long as possible. The idea of claiming extra benefits based on disabilities is to stay as independent as much as possible for as long as possible.

No, I do not see what an individual's 'principles' have got to do with the present argument. I hope that your 'principles' make you feel better, but otherwise, I can't see that they are much use to you.

2 of us may be better off than one of us, but it is in the nature of things that the day will come when there will be only one of us left.

I agree with Monkeymad at 11.39 am. The 'pride' and the 'principles' which you claim to have should rule out your desire for an extra tax allowance which others can't aspire to.

funnyguy

zzzzzzzzzz. this thread is all about arguing lol.lot of unforgiving types on here...argue argue argue..justify justify justify..bore bore bore..snore snore snore..

jamesd

gadgetmind wrote: »

In the UK, only individuals and partnerships can go bankrupt.

Bankrupt is still the common term for a company becoming insolvent.

gadgetmind wrote: »

Maybe, but if so, he barely walked away from it covered in glory and drowning in money.

Certainly no glory. If a personal bankruptcy he may have done quite well if others owned much of the family assets then he, say, retired and used pension income to continue living well.

Hard to say much about it because we know so little. Just some possibilities with no idea whether they really do apply.

gadgetmind

jamesd wrote: »

Bankrupt is still the common term for a company becoming insolvent.

The word "insolvent" is far more common!

Hard to say much about it because we know so little. Just some possibilities with no idea whether they really do apply.

True. However, I don't think anyone would ever take the decision to take a company though insolvency or administration lightly.

Thrugelmir

funnyguy wrote: »

zzzzzzzzzz. this thread is all about arguing lol.lot of unforgiving types on here...argue argue argue..justify justify justify..bore bore bore..snore snore snore..

So why bother to read it and make a post. :eek: