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Cable admires Germans

Vince Cable says we shouldn't lecture the Germans, we should learn lessons from their success.

Tories tend to say the same sort of thing. But I guess the lessons people learn are very different. So is Germany the epitome of thrusting private enterprise, or is it a shining example of the social-democratic model?
"It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis
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  • wymondham
    wymondham Posts: 6,356 Forumite
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    I'm in two minds.... they are obviously successful and a relatively good economy etc, however they are currently spearheading something that has/is going very wrong aka euro! Maybe the rest of us just can't enter their club?
  • Fella
    Fella Posts: 7,921 Forumite
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    pqrdef wrote: »
    Vince Cable says we shouldn't lecture the Germans, we should learn lessons from their success.

    How utterly hypocritical of him. If UK employers tried to push through the same agreements that German employers got agreed with German workers Cable would be the first in the queue to criticise them.

    We should indeed learn from the German success but Cable is in no position to lecture anyone on that.
  • pqrdef
    pqrdef Posts: 4,552 Forumite
    Fella wrote: »
    How utterly hypocritical of him. If UK employers tried to push through the same agreements that German employers got agreed with German workers Cable would be the first in the queue to criticise them.
    I gather he had a lot to do with the new Astra being built in Britain, and part of that was getting the unions to accept longer hours and lower wages.
    "It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis
  • Joe_Bloggs
    Joe_Bloggs Posts: 4,535 Forumite
    The Germans successfully handled re-unification with austerity measures. If the SNP get their way the UK would have to deal with de-unification. Does this mean that there will be an economic splurge or more austerity.
    J_B.
  • StevenMarks
    StevenMarks Posts: 268 Forumite
    Se we should find some countries with much weaker economies to enter into a single currency with so their weaker economies hold down the exchange rate and let our manufacturers benefit?
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    edited 27 May 2012 at 6:39PM
    When we have all devalued what happens then?

    Don't know about the Germans, I admire the Swiss but they are a mix so a bit more balanced.

    Listened to a German commentator last week and he sounded like the pub landlord - "the Greeks must abide by the Rules".
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • nickj_2
    nickj_2 Posts: 7,052 Forumite
    if you look at german manufacturing they are making high end quality things that people will buy , mercedes , vw'/ audi bmw are all more expensive than fords ,gm etc but people around the world will buy them as they know they are getting a well built quality product ... .this is what we should be doing , we should not have sold rolls royce etc to them and any other things we've flogged at any cost , could you ever see the germans selling off mercedes / it will never happen
  • oldvicar
    oldvicar Posts: 1,088 Forumite
    Saint Vince knows a thing or two about economics and has practical experience. He almost single-handedly put government finances in Kenya on a sound footing when he was there.
    Vince Cable read Natural Science and Economics at Fitzwilliam College, Cambridge University, where he was President of the Union, followed by a PhD at Glasgow University.

    He worked as Treasury Finance Officer for the Kenya Government between 1966 and 1968. After lecturing at Glasgow University in economics he worked as a first Secretary in the Diplomatic Service in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (1974-1976). He was then Deputy Director of the Overseas Development Institute, which included a period working for the then Secretary of State for Trade and Industry, John Smith MP, as a Special Advisor. From 1983 to 1990 Vincent worked as Special Advisor on Economic Affairs for the Commonwealth Secretary General, Sir Sonny Ramphal.

    From 1990 Vince worked for Shell International and from 1995 was Shell's Chief Economist. He has also been head of the economic programme at Chatham House and is a fellow of Nuffield College, Oxford.
  • pqrdef
    pqrdef Posts: 4,552 Forumite
    No thoughts on the original question?

    Is Germany the epitome of thrusting private enterprise, or is it a shining example of the social-democratic model?
    "It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis
  • RJP33
    RJP33 Posts: 339 Forumite
    Se we should find some countries with much weaker economies to enter into a single currency with so their weaker economies hold down the exchange rate and let our manufacturers benefit?

    Absolutely, they are the #1 beneficiaries of Greece and all the other countries holding down the value of the Euro so they can sell their exports cheaper than they would with the Mark.

    They need the weaker countries in the Eurozone.
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