is there an 'better' way to say I got the sack on a application form/interview?

Emmzi

vax2002 wrote: »

You might have a good case for unfair dismissal.
The company if involved in sales and gambling for profits on those sales should be prepared to take losses as well as gains.
If your duties were performed as instructed by your employers then any losses are par the course as are any profits.
Would they sack you for making too much money ?

I would get exploring your options for unfair dismissal.

I am afraid your arguement is most likely flawed. Have they laid off *all* staff for under performance? Doubt it. So not market forces at work.

Unless you are pretty damn sure, ETs are too stressful to be worth it. If the dismissal was within the range of what a reasonable employer would do, and procedure was followed, it will stand.

PrincesaGuerrera

Thanks for all your help folks.
I signed on straight after I finished my last job but will still be due my 4 weeks notice period pay. I told the advisor at the Job centre that I was sacked and she didn't ask me for any details there and then but she did say they would be in contact with my employer so chances are I won't get any money for a while (which is not a problem, I'm not greedy, I just didn't think about it at the time when I went to make a new claim). The job the advised me about was another sales job for an energy company. Should I tell my advisor my past history and why I don't want to apply for that kind of job again or should I just apply and bite the bullet? I'm not lazy, to be honest after my last job was so stressful I'd be happy working behind a till in the supermarket!! My last employer said they just give generic references and I wouldn't be happy about lying on my application form as I do believe honesty is always the best policy (you can see how I wouldn't fit in in sales!). But I just have this dark cloud hanging over my head that now that's all I'm going to be put forward for as I don't have any other office skills even tho I would quite like an office job.

Emmzi

incoming or customer serice calls may be more your thing? But yes, start applying for things. Some jobs have a high turnover and they may have roles in other departments.

ska_lover

Its a shame its a five year period, or it could be easier covered up. I would change it on my CV to ' made redundant' to be honest, because it doesnt sound like a typical sacking. I always thought if you were sacked, you couldnt sign on for benefits, nor get notice period pay so it seems strange to me.

PrincesaGuerrera

I think you can sign on if you were sacked, whether you get any money is a different matter! I think it would depend on the circumstances of the dismissal. I wasn't sacked for gross misconduct I just couldn't do my job properly (or as I feel I was unlucky! but I would say that ) There is a possiblity I will be sanctioned for a certain amount of time and I'm sure they won't pay me for my notice preiod but they haven't told me any of that so far so I'm in ignorat bliss till told otherwise.

I would be worried that if I changed my CV to made redundat and they found out my dishonesty the I might jepordise any job prospects where a future employer may see past my sacking. In this case what should I write on an application form 'termination by employer', 'dismissed', what would be the best wording to use?

scooby088

I was lucky when i was sacked in the job i had for 8 years in the fact i got a job almost right away but it was on seasonal work, but i am still asked why i was sacked, it's an 8 year period that I can't just hideaway and I am honest and candid when i get interviews.

dandelionclock30

I was dismissed for misconduct- I got into trouble it wasnt about my work and I got JSA and didnt get sanctioned.
You need to find out exactly what they are going to write in a reference under reasons for leaving.Then you can decide what you are going to say. You could put personal reasons on the application form and would like to discuss at interview, or job ended and then let then know if you get the job-thats if you want to or have to tell them. Even the job centre said to me that you dont put sacked! I also dont think its a good idea to put dismissed if you actually want to get invited for interview.
I would if I was in your position ask the CAB if you are entitled to being paid your notice period. I thought that you were entitled to being paid your notice unless you are being dismissed for gross misconduct but Im not 100% sure, so your best bet is to check it out.
You have to do what you have to do to get yourself back into work and its upto you how you do it. As it has already been suggested I would do voluntary work for another reference and to give yourself something to do whilst looking. Choose something that will help you careers wize and that you are interested in.
As you havent done anything desperatley bad Im sure you will be o.k.

RuthnJasper

Princess - you could put "left by mutual agreement". They told you to leave and so you did...

The one thing you really mustn't do is actively and knowingly lie on your CV. Leave it off if you wish, and if you cannot see any reasonable way around it. Better to say nothing than to tell an out-and-out lie.

If appropriate, bring up the matter at interview (if questioned about the gap in dates) with mitigating details - that way you can demonstrate in person the sales-pressure to which you were subject and the valuable lessons you have learned and can bring to the new job as a result of this unfortunate experience.

Best of luck to you. xx

Naf

I think whatever you put it still comes down to being sacked, unfortunately; and any recruiter will see right through it. I wouldn't stress it too much: I had to put that I was sacked on one application (couldn't hack the early mornings as hotel porter), and still got the job in a bank of all places.
As to the sanction: I knew someone who was sacked for theft, and wasn't sanctioned even a single day. Supposedly they only sanction in cases where you have actually done something that caused the dismissal. In your case the company decided you were no longer suitable for the position, so I doubt you'll be sanctioned.
And no, they won't pay your notice period; you're still technically employed throughout.

Savvy_Sue

Naf wrote: »

And no, they won't pay your notice period; you're still technically employed throughout.

I disagree: there was no gross misconduct, simply a failure to meet targets. They have given the OP notice, therefore they have a choice, pay him to keep working his notice period, or pay him NOT to keep working for his notice period.