Why are companies so picky when choosing their employees?

pelirocco

southerncritic wrote: »

How do you expect them to get that real life experience? People with that sort of attitude are dragging America down along with the rest of the world.

I thought it was the other way round tbh

Firefox1975

In a way, im glad that Graduates find it a bit of a slap in the face when they enter the real world.its a good first learning experience. problem is, children are taught at school to stay in education so they will reap "higher" salaries in later life. Schools do this to keep their funding in place from the government and they brainwash students into thinking that their is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

The truth is, the business world has got very savvy over the last few years and now most owners are aware that a degree in musical dance isn;t that useful to a company selling gadgets to the general public.In fact, new starters can be a serious liability when they make their mistakes (And they will - cos we all did!).

Students should go to uni if they want, enjoy your 3 years of freedom. But after, you should get a job at the bottom of the ladder and actually start learning how business works in real life rather than from a textbook.

Funnily enough I never hear of any students who did a degree in Physics or Applied Mathmatics or any very "intensive" course moaning about not getting a job afterwards?

Just accept that some degrees are just not worth that much. You have been sold a story to create jobs and money for the universities and banks whilst society sits quietly in the background, nods and agrees you are doing the right thing because your friends and family are proud that little johnny is off to university to be a clever boy and earn lots of money in the business world in future.

Not having a go at students, more a pop at the "accepted" model of higher education and how it fits in with future jobs etc. that the current employment climate is quite nicely proving just doesn't work!

dickydonkin

It's like we are reading a chapter of the industrial revolution under the aegis of money-hungry scoundrels.

I just find the OP's post somewhat ironic bearing in mind that the biggest organisations in the largest economy in the world won't pay their employees a decent living wage and requires many occupations to be subsidised by tips.


But that is another can of worms!

SarEl

dickydonkin wrote: »

I just find the OP's post somewhat ironic bearing in mind that the biggest organisations in the largest economy in the world won't pay their employees a decent living wage and requires many occupations to be subsidised by tips.

And live in morbid fear of trades unions and any form of organised labour. A trait they seem to share with a host of countries that they consider to be oppressive.

heretolearn_2

ah now, be fair, it is completely picky to expect a graduate to be both literate AND numerate...:rotfl:

RobTang

Emmzi wrote: »

by accepting a lower paid start job while they get experience.

with their massive brain they will get promoted faster than others, surely?

yes. yes, I am a scourge to america. I really am.

The problem these days is that you NEED experience to start at the bottom. During this downturn more experienced people were accepting lower paid jobs in desperation. Employers now expect this or still need to operate this way out of necessity.

So really the only way togo without being extreamly lucky / rich / well connected; its to work for free which I feel really isn't sustainable and devalues the work poeple do.

On the flip side the current generation will have to work well into their retirement to survive so I guess it balances out in the tit for tat generation war.

southerncritic

RobTang wrote: »

The problem these days is that you NEED experience to start at the bottom. During this downturn more experienced people were accepting lower paid jobs in desperation. Employers now expect this or still need to operate this way out of necessity.

So really the only way togo without being extreamly lucky / rich / well connected; its to work for free which I feel really isn't sustainable and devalues the work poeple do.

On the flip side the current generation will have to work well into their retirement to survive so I guess it balances out in the tit for tat generation war.

That's absolutely correct. They want experience for everything, even if you're going to work at the local fast food chain, there's a high competition. These days you only get a job if you know someone who has some influence in the company you're applying for or if someone gave you a recommendation. I will look into some voluntary work or whatever. That's the only way I can embellish my resume. I agree with the guy above who said schools tell kids to carry on with their education because you're going to earn lots of money in the future. That's true! The good old days are long gone.:beer:

Sharon87

southerncritic wrote: »

That's absolutely correct. They want experience for everything, even if you're going to work at the local fast food chain, there's a high competition. These days you only get a job if you know someone who has some influence in the company you're applying for or if someone gave you a recommendation. I will look into some voluntary work or whatever. That's the only way I can embellish my resume. I agree with the guy above who said schools tell kids to carry on with their education because you're going to earn lots of money in the future. That's true! The good old days are long gone.:beer:

Partly true, for graduate jobs, not all jobs though.

It is hard getting a job in your chosen career, but it's just as important to have experience of any work. Which is why I worked part time during uni, it did take me a long time to get a part time job at uni, but I eventually got one, and it showed that I can multi-task and has a good work ethic. The mistake a lot of people make is thinking getting the top grade is the be all and end all and don't want to work as it might interrupt their studies, work didn't interrupt my studies, worked 15 hours a week, and I took holidays off during my busy times.

I now work in my chosen industry, took me 1.5 years after uni to get into it. But I persevered took a crappy minimum wage job at a 4 hours contract, but supposedly on a full time basis for almost a year. It took me over half a year to get that minimum wage job. Things will happen, may just take longer than you think/want. As long as you want things enough and keep trying then it will all work out in the end. Or you could even set your own business up if it's possible in the field you want to work in. I graduated in 2008 at the start of the cut backs and job losses, so you can still make it in this climate.

Lakeuk

When I finished my GCSE's donkeys years ago I was at a cross roads, I didn't know what I wanted to do other than I liked computers, the school drill was the road to university which wasn't for me, I did another two years in 6th form and I knew when I came out the other end I'd be on par with everyone else going for the same jobs with nothing to stick me out from the crowd.

I had a few half days free each week so I wrote to local companies asking if they'd be willing to take me on work experience, one company agreed and for two years I did a couple of half days (inc during school holiday) being shadowed in everything from tech support, backups to some simple programming

It's that work experience that got me my first job, little shy me stood out from the crowd of confident souls with the same or better grades.

Roll on nearly 20 years and qualifications are pretty much used as the initial ticking of exercise (they are less relevant even though required) and the name of the game is experience, experience, experience.

Graduates, school leavers are moaning that they can't get the experience without getting a job first, my advice is while you're studying put yourself out there asking companies to take you on (free) for a couple of half days or a day a week for gain some work experience

In_Martin_We_Trust

Firefox1975 wrote: »

In a way, im glad that Graduates find it a bit of a slap in the face when they enter the real world.its a good first learning experience. problem is, children are taught at school to stay in education so they will reap "higher" salaries in later life. Schools do this to keep their funding in place from the government and they brainwash students into thinking that their is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

The truth is, the business world has got very savvy over the last few years and now most owners are aware that a degree in musical dance isn;t that useful to a company selling gadgets to the general public.In fact, new starters can be a serious liability when they make their mistakes (And they will - cos we all did!).

Students should go to uni if they want, enjoy your 3 years of freedom. But after, you should get a job at the bottom of the ladder and actually start learning how business works in real life rather than from a textbook.

Funnily enough I never hear of any students who did a degree in Physics or Applied Mathmatics or any very "intensive" course moaning about not getting a job afterwards?

Just accept that some degrees are just not worth that much. You have been sold a story to create jobs and money for the universities and banks whilst society sits quietly in the background, nods and agrees you are doing the right thing because your friends and family are proud that little johnny is off to university to be a clever boy and earn lots of money in the business world in future.

Not having a go at students, more a pop at the "accepted" model of higher education and how it fits in with future jobs etc. that the current employment climate is quite nicely proving just doesn't work!

I do agree that students are sold down the river coz I'm one of them and I did web computing! We are in a catch 22 situation you can't get a job without experience and you can't get experience without a job.:mad: