Cutting the Welfare Bill

homelessskilledworker

drwho2011 wrote: »

State Pension: 70bn + 8bn in Pension Credit
Tax Credits: 35bn
Housing Benefit: 22bn
DLA: 12bn
Child Benefit: 12bn
Incapacity Benefit & ESA: 8bn
Income Support: 8bn
Attendance Allowance: 5.5bn
Council Tax Benefit: 5bn
JSA: 4.8bn (approx 800m is paid as contributions based JSA)
Winter Fuel Payment: 2.2bn

There's another 10bn unaccounted for but its mostly small amounts.

Total: 202bn

*figures are rounded but should be relatively accurate.

I have had to come back to this, the numbers just did not register. Somebody correct my maths if I am wrong(and I probably am), but this works out that on average each household is having to pay £10,000 each, and when you consider there are a lot of households not contributing anything then some of us are being shafted good and proper.

I tell you what, if there is some sunny undeveloped country out there that has high ambitions and needs a highly motivated skilled educated people that are gagging to work for some decent reward, then look no further than the UK. I am sure most of us are willing to support the weaker members of our society, we just do not want to be master to them.

drwho2011

misskool wrote: »

If the state pension is already the biggest spend now, that is surely a timebomb waiting to explode/implode?

Many people are not paying into any sort of pension and expect the government to fund their retirement. Pension pots are in massive deficits and we have unions striking against pension cuts, thereby increasing the pension bills.

And older people vote so the government isnt really going to cut that anytime soon is it?

As a time bomb it already exploded , it is sustainable in theory however the state pension age should have risen over time as did life expectancy.

£96.5 billion in NI was paid in 2010-2011.

The problem is here:

1. £80bn in contribution related benefits.
2. £84bn in income related benefits.
3. £37bn in neither contribution nor income related benefits.

Personally the easiest to cut is number 3.

drwho2011

homelessskilledworker wrote: »

I have had to come back to this, the numbers just did not register. Somebody correct my maths if I am wrong(and I probably am), but this works out that on average each household is having to pay £10,000 each, and when you consider there are a lot of households not contributing anything then some of us are being shafted good and proper.

I tell you what, if there is some sunny undeveloped country out there that has high ambitions and needs a highly motivated skilled educated people that are gagging to work for some decent reward, then look no further than the UK. I am sure most of us are willing to support the weaker members of our society, we just do not want to be master to them.

If I recall correctly income tax and NI combined bring in about £250bn, but the state pays people £200bn in welfare benefits.

homelessskilledworker

julieq wrote: »

Police are all in the station taking backhanders from foreigners, innit. You NEVER SEE A BOBBY ON THE BEAT. Back in my day, they'd have given these Lithuanian drug dealing cash in hand ventilation firms a damn good clip round the ear, but it's all HUMAN RIGHTS now. And everyone is claiming more benefits than the decent honest working person with a poor grasp of English and atrocious anger management issues who spends all day on the internet complaining about how unfair life is can possibly earn. It's DISGUSTING.

Best rant yet Julie:rotfl:

But of course when you go into one it is just you articulating yourself with what is an in justice.
And can you explain what internet forums such as this are for if they are not for having a debate. Seems like you are a bit of a tyrant Julie and just cosy up to people who speak and agree in the same way you do.

And yes, I have a massive problem with IMMIGRATION, and that's what really get your goat. Now tell us about your hard working Polish immigrant boyfriend again, zzzzzzzzz

homelessskilledworker

drwho2011 wrote: »

If I recall correctly income tax and NI combined bring in about £250bn, but the state pays people £200bn in welfare benefits.

This is what I was thinking, 202 billion does seem an awful lot, but how much is the Government borrowing stll?

drwho2011

Cutting income related benefits doesn't help much because if you cut one another tends to pick up the slack and you get all the associated problems of homelessness and increased crime.

Instead I would remove all benefits except income related ones, then I would push forward massive reforms to the conditionality of the receipt of income related benefits and put charges upon peoples homes in receipt of income based benefits for more than 2 years.

You would see a lot less opposition to workfare schemes then and the welfare bill would be a lot smaller.

There's no point in lying to people that by paying NI that your going to cover the costs of your future welfare payments.

drwho2011

homelessskilledworker wrote: »

This is what I was thinking, 202 billion does seem an awful lot, but how much is the Government borrowing stll?

Government takes in taxation through other means as well, here are a few of the biggies....

VAT: circa £90bn
Corporation Tax: circa £50bn
Fuel Duties: circa £30bn

Incidentally in:
1991/2 we spent £121bn on welfare payments.
2001/2 we spent £132bn on welfare payments.

Borrowing £143bn in 2010/11
Estimated borrowing £127bn in 2011/12

homelessskilledworker

julieq wrote: »

Police are all in the station taking backhanders from foreigners, innit. You NEVER SEE A BOBBY ON THE BEAT. Back in my day, they'd have given these Lithuanian drug dealing cash in hand ventilation firms a damn good clip round the ear, but it's all HUMAN RIGHTS now. And everyone is claiming more benefits than the decent honest working person with a poor grasp of English and atrocious anger management issues who spends all day on the internet complaining about how unfair life is can possibly earn. It's DISGUSTING.

Just a few points about your silly little post..

1. The people I am on about are ALL British, and extemely racist

2. Never said the poice were taking back handers, just nothing ever gets done these days unless of course you are speeding.

3. Lithuanian!!.. where in Gods name did that come from.

4. "Anger management".. just brilliant:rotfl: and Juile yet again treats a poster on the internet she hardly knows with yest again another mental disorder, how many dozen is that now Juile.

When I gave up smoking years ago I preached for ages about how disgusting it was, ex smoker and all that. Cannot help but feel you are doing the same with your self proclaimed expertise on mental disorders Juile Fraud

tartanterra

Any society which rewards idleness is clearly unsustainable, especially when part of that system involves taxpayers who earn the minimum wage supporting those who choose not to work.

Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to drive any radical change, when no single political party holds a clear majority. Coalition government means compromise; and compromise is just another word for no one getting what they want.

tartanterra

homelessskilledworker wrote: »

Now tell us about your hard working Polish immigrant boyfriend again, zzzzzzzzz

I honestly can't see any need for this type of nonsense.

How old are you?
12?

Grow up.