Part time Holiday Question please

[Deleted User]

Hi,
I am currently working 24 hrs/week, approx. 4.5 - 5 hours a day, monday - friday.
I noticed that on one of my last wage slips that I was paid for 'Holiday Pay' for 5hrs, I presume for the monday 2nd January this year. My latest wage slip now says 'Hols left - 16 days'.

Just a couple of queries please:

1. Do the holiday days include Bank Holidays? I presume I had 17 days, but the wage slip never mentions this, it now just says 16 days left.

2. If this is the case, as we have 8 bank holidays in this country each year, will my 16/17 day holiday entitlement include these bank holidays, therefore only leaving me with 9 days holidays per year?

3. Also, this year we are having an extra bank holiday (queen jubilee), so does that mean that it will leave me with 8 days holiday?

4. As my last holiday pay for the bank holiday was for 5 hrs, I presume therefore that for each of my holiday days I will only be paid for 5hrs each day? So for this year will I only have 8 days holiday (of my choosing) with 5hrs pay for each day?

5. So therefore as I work mon-fri, if I want a fortnight off (10 days), I will only be paid for 8 of them for 5hrs/day?

I always thought that if you worked full-time you got 4 weeks holiday and therefore it was the same for part-time workers? Sorry, I'm just getting very confused and have prob got it all wrong, just a bit tired! (I'm also a mum of 3 littlies before you ask!)

Just trying to decide when best to take my holiday days off, I wanted a short break in the summer and a few days before xmas with having children, but prob not possible.

Oooh, and while we're on the subject, my husbands hours are set to increase and mine will prob decrease to 16 at some point later in the year, if this happens and I have already taken holiday, will I owe them money? If I'm only entitled to 11 days holiday(?) at this point and there are 8 bank holidays, does this mean I would only get 3 days holiday of my choosing?! I'd never be able to book a a week off work!
Apologies again for the long-winder post and thank you! x

katz03

You need to speak to your payroll. You are entitled to 4 weeks holidays + Bank holidays. These only become pro-rated when you work less than 5 days.

1 also work 24 hours a week - but I do 3 full days - my holiday entitlement is 17 days - this is 4 weeks x 3 day = 12 days + bank holidays - which for me are equates to 5 days. Any bank holidays that fall on my work days have to come off this entitlement.

hope this helps

Uncertain

The minimum holiday entitlement is 28 days for a full time employee. This includes bank holidays if the firm is closed on those days.

A part time person must get at least the same (obviously in proportion to the number of hours worked).

This equates to 5.6 weeks holiday so you should get 5.6 of your 24 hour weeks.

KiKi

purpleposting4 wrote: »

Hi,
1. Do the holiday days include Bank Holidays? I presume I had 17 days, but the wage slip never mentions this, it now just says 16 days left.

As you work 5 days a week, you are entitled to 8 BHs and 20 days AL min. That's your lawful entitlement.

Whatever full time employees get for AL (because your company may give more than the lawful min of 20), you should have the same - certainly not 16. It *may* be that your payslip runs on 8 hour days, and therefore means 16 x 8 hours which may work out at the right number of hours, but I think that's HIGHLY unlikely.

You should have days, not hours of AL because you work 5 days a week.

2. If this is the case, as we have 8 bank holidays in this country each year, will my 16/17 day holiday entitlement include these bank holidays, therefore only leaving me with 9 days holidays per year?

As above, you should have 20 PLUS 8 BHs.

3. Also, this year we are having an extra bank holiday (queen jubilee), so does that mean that it will leave me with 8 days holiday?

Depends on your contract. If it says 8 BHs, then no you won't get the 9th. If it says "all BHs" then you should get 9. In ADDITION to your AL.

4. As my last holiday pay for the bank holiday was for 5 hrs, I presume therefore that for each of my holiday days I will only be paid for 5hrs each day? So for this year will I only have 8 days holiday (of my choosing) with 5hrs pay for each day?

Forget hours. You work 5 days a week and so will get the normal pay for that day when you take it off. You won't get paid 8 hours for a holiday day when you were only scheduled to work 5!



5. So therefore as I work mon-fri, if I want a fortnight off (10 days),

I will only be paid for 8 of them for 5hrs/day?

No, you should be paid for all 10 of them, as you would be normally.

I always thought that if you worked full-time you got 4 weeks holiday and therefore it was the same for part-time workers?

Yes - 4 weeks, PLUS BHs (assuming your company doesn't work BHs). Ie, 28 days paid leave in total. As you work 5 days a week, this also applies to you. The number of hours is irrelevant.

You only start working this in hours if you don't work 5 days a week and work irregular shifts.

HTH
KiKi

[Deleted User]

Thank you KiKi for all your kind answers, will try and digest it, but I think I get the idea! Thanks xxx

KiKi

No worries; I think you're focusing on the part time issue when you don't need to - *because* you work 5 days a week.

So if you take a day off, you only get 5 hours' leave. If a colleague takes a day off, they get 8 hours' leave. But it's still one 'day' for both of you. Hope that makes sense.

And sorry, missed the end of your question:

Oooh, and while we're on the subject, my husbands hours are set to increase and mine will prob decrease to 16 at some point later in the year, if this happens and I have already taken holiday, will I owe them money? If I'm only entitled to 11 days holiday(?) at this point and there are 8 bank holidays, does this mean I would only get 3 days holiday of my choosing?! I'd never be able to book a a week off work!

Let's say you work 3 days a week, and the full time entitlement is 28 days holiday (which is 20 AL plus BH). You would be entitled to 28/5 x 3. Which is 16.8 - or 17 - days a year. (If you don't work 5 days a week you have to include AL AND BHs in your calculation and treat them as one, as they are both pro ratad.)

So if you had taken more than 17 days already (inc BHs) in this instance, then yes, you would owe them holiday.

If you don't work 5 days a week then you have to work out your total paid leave allocation (which is AL plus BHs), and work out what that is pro rata. (Total paid leave for full timers, divided by 5, multiplied by number of days worked.) Then what happens is:
a) if a BH falls on your working day, it has to come out of your total paid leave allocation
b) if it doesn't fall on your working day, it has no impact on you.

So your calculation of 11 is wrong for starters, you need to add BHs pro ratad on top, and they would only come out of your leave allocation IF you worked on that day. A tip: don't work Mondays if you're going to work fewer than 5 days a week! Or lots of BHs will fall on those days which means you have less flexibility with your leave.

KiKi

[Deleted User]

Thank you. I would always be working 5 days a week, mon-fri as I'm an out of school club worker. I currently do 8hrs over the mornings and 16hrs over the afternoons/evenings, eventually I might have to drop the morning shift depending on husbands job, but that is in the future possibly.

I think I understand now that as I work 5 days a week, regardless of part-time, that I am entitled to as you say, 20 days plus BH of 5hrs each day and if I were to drop my hours in the future, this could be approx 3.45hrs per day for each holiday day.
So therefore as we are shut weekends and bank holidays, depending on contract (which I haven't got yet? have only been there a few weeks?) I should be able to plan for about 4 weeks holiday, hopefully not including the bank holidays, and get paid for 5hrs on each of the 20 days leave.

If this is the case tho, I still don't understand why my wage slip only says 16 days left? 20 days x 5hrs = 100 hours, but 16 days x 8hrs = 128 hours - I wish! More like 16 days x 5hrs = 80 hours. It's like I'm 4 days short on my wage slips! I'm sure the qualifying year runs from jan-dec and I did start at the start of this year and a couple of people were trying to use up their holiday before xmas apparently.

Might just have to ask my boss I guess!

paddedjohn

You are correct when you say 28 days at 5hrs/day inc 8 bank holidays, the employer can choose when you take the remaining days if they so wish.
Regarding the 16 days issue, when did you start working there and when does your holidays run from to?

[Deleted User]

I started on january 3rd and as far as I can tell I have been paid for the 2nd january BH too that, I received 4 days pay plus 1 holiday days pay equivalent to 5 hours. A colleague was telling me she had taken the holiday she had left before xmas to use it up, so I presume the holidays run from jan-dec.

Mrs_Arcanum

Think possibly the employer has converted the total hours entitlement into the equivalent in full time (8 hour) days which is where the problem lies. Total should be around 134.4 hours which divided by 24 = 5.6 weeks.

KiKi

Mrs_Arcanum wrote: »

Think possibly the employer has converted the total hours entitlement into the equivalent in full time (8 hour) days which is where the problem lies. Total should be around 134.4 hours which divided by 24 = 5.6 weeks.

I did wonder that (above) but it seems unlikely, doesn't it? Would be a bizarre thing to do! Plus, her day off was 5 hours, but they reduced her AL days from 17 to 16.

Talk to your boss / HR dept, OP - might just be that someone doesn't understand how to calculate it.

Also, check your leave year runs Jan-Dec (you seemed sure it does, but worth checking).

KiKi