"Human Rights" strikes again.

StevieJ

I am confused, I thought Maily type people were previously suggesting that people on JSA should be doing voluntary work to earn their benefits?

Gothicfairy

drwho2011 wrote: »

You mean like the volunteering she's been doing previously at the museum?

Yes : As I said " I would rather she was at a museum as they can not afford that many staff really then working for nothing for a major company who should be made to employ someone properly."

RUN_RABBIT_RUN

StevieJ wrote: »

I am confused, I thought Maily type people were previously suggesting that people on JSA should be doing voluntary work to earn their benefits?

yeah but they didn't mean voluntary work that you would actually want to do

they envisaged unemployed chavs rowing a massive viking boat with some chap at the end cracking the whip, or pushing round some giant carousel

drwho2011

Gothicfairy wrote: »

Yes : As I said " I would rather she was at a museum as they can not afford that many staff really then working for nothing for a major company who should be made to employ someone properly."

Made to employ someone properly? We'd have to up national minimum wage for a start because right now plenty of workers get subsidized through local housing allowance and the tax credit system.

For a company to function they have to balance number of staff vs profit. A company reliant on "free" labour in this fashion likely looses out of staff efficiency and as a business decision it is unlikely to be cost effective.

However as a work experience opportunity gives a job seeker something to put on there CV.

Or are you saying so long as people volunteer for organizations that you consider "worthy" of free labor that they can stay on the dole for as long as they please i.e till they find a job they want to do?

Would you feel this way if she hadn't gone to university to get a useless degree?

molerat

The problem is she has been volunteering for 18 months, paid for by you and me, without gaining employment in her chosen field. This was not in the real employment world but in a cosy "luvvies" environment. How long should the taxpayer support her before she actually finds a job that she wants to do, 6 months to a year max I reckon. There are thousands of graduates that cannot get a job doing what they want to do but have to take what is actually available. Human rights my !!!! !!

shop-to-drop

She should have got a part time job to support herself while volunteering at the museum instead of JSA. There is no excuse for an able bodied graduate being on JSA for 18 months. I'm sure she could have got something suitable quite easily most supermarkets are open 24 hours a day so could fit around the museum work. There were probably even jobs come up in the musuem say in the cafe or gift shop.

Gothicfairy

drwho2011 wrote: »

Made to employ someone properly? We'd have to up national minimum wage for a start because right now plenty of workers get subsidized through local housing allowance and the tax credit system. Yes but many many more get naff all from the government so that is a moot point. Also it is a part time job so it is not for everyone anyway but a mother might be able to do it and be paid, a student might cope with the hours etc.

For a company to function they have to balance number of staff vs profit. A company reliant on "free" labour in this fashion likely looses out of staff efficiency and as a business decision it is unlikely to be cost effective. They are hardly reliant though are they ? but I am unsure of the point ( to be fair I am working on less then 2 hrs sleep so it might be clearer then I see it)

However as a work experience opportunity gives a job seeker something to put on there CV. So does working for the RSPCA or museum so really not an issue.

Or are you saying so long as people volunteer for organizations that you consider "worthy" of free labor that they can stay on the dole for as long as they please i.e till they find a job they want to do?
Where on earth did I say worthy ? Where did I say they could stay on the dole forever ?
Would you feel this way if she hadn't gone to university to get a useless degree?

I would feel this way not matter what her degree as that makes no difference to me an I don't feel it is useless..
I said that I am happy for people to work for free but why not put them in places where no one would be paid anyway..ie RSPCA, Hospital helper, Care home helper etc
rather then take what should be a paying job and that paying job could make quite a difference to someone.

Gothicfairy

shop-to-drop wrote: »

She should have got a part time job to support herself while volunteering at the museum instead of JSA. There is no excuse for an able bodied graduate being on JSA for 18 months. I'm sure she could have got something suitable quite easily most supermarkets are open 24 hours a day so could fit around the museum work. There were probably even jobs come up in the musuem say in the cafe or gift shop.

But isn't that the whole problem ? This scheme is going to mean that part time paying jobs are now done by free labour so how would you then get a paying part time job ?

Graham_Devon

StevieJ wrote: »

I am confused, I thought Maily type people were previously suggesting that people on JSA should be doing voluntary work to earn their benefits?

Are you really confused?

Or are you just trying to amplify your point?

Should we make exceptions for certain people?

She's been doing that for 18 months, and no job has been put forward. Why would it? The museum gets free labour. The very thing people are jumping up and down about....but somehow it's ok the other way around as this lady likes doing this free labour.

The museum has a good thing going. 5 days a week free labour. The girl gets to do what she wants.

The taxpayer pays out.

Now, if you are confused, I'm equally as confused as to how it's such a problem that one business gets free labour....but not a problem at all that the museum gets labour.

Again, it's back to the point that the girl had to conform and do something she didn't want to. That's all this is about. So that thing is then classed as slavery. but it's OK for the museum to carry out this so called "slavery"?

I'm not confused at all. It's all about a girl not wanting to do something, but wanting taxpayer money.

She's not been forced to work in Poundland. If she doesn't want to do that, she can get herself a part time job paying the same money JSA does. She has the option to opt out, but prefers to get paid the JSA money and do what she wants to in her time.

RUN_RABBIT_RUN

molerat wrote: »

The problem is she has been volunteering for 18 months, paid for by you and me, without gaining employment in her chosen field. This was not in the real employment world but in a cosy "luvvies" environment. How long should the taxpayer support her before she actually finds a job that she wants to do, 6 months to a year max I reckon. There are thousands of graduates that cannot get a job doing what they want to do but have to take what is actually available. Human rights my !!!! !!

thats a good point youve made there