Housing benefit caps to put 30,000 homes out of reach (wales)

Generali

Road_Hog wrote: »

So the top and bottom of this story is that, it's ballacks. The rent ceiling is already set in Wales and these new figures are going to have no impact upon them.


Having said that, I don't know how you can charge more than a tenner a week to live in Swansea amongst the Jacks, even worse if you were made to live in Llanelli with the Turks you should be paid to live there. Although it could be worse and you could live in Clartsville.

Jacks.............?

grizzly1911

Running_Horse wrote: »

In all the arguments to and fro about BTL culture, the one thing that always seems to get missed is many are building their private empires on public money. There must be a better and cheaper way without lining the pockets of the already rich, and without disincentivising the unemployed from getting back to work.

Used to be called Council Housing.

wotsthat

The numbers don't seem to make any sense - is the report trying to say 30,000 claimants will be displaced or that 30,000 homes in Wales have rental values above the cap?

Either way the numbers can't be correct. We won't see 30,000 claimants displaced in London let alone Wales. If there are 30,000 homes in Wales with a rental value over the cap I'd bet only a small proportion were benefits claimants.

If the government have got this right we won't see mass migrations of disgruntled benefits claimants moving North. Instead gradually people will be forced to take responsibility for themselves. If the changes means no-one has to move then the cap should be tightened; if there's a chance of mass migration the measures will be watered down very quickly.

chewmylegoff

Generali wrote: »

Jacks.............?

According to wiki, residents of Swansea are named after a Labrador called jack that won "bravest dog of the year" in the 1930s..........

Clearer now?!?

chewmylegoff

Running_Horse wrote: »

In all the arguments to and fro about BTL culture, the one thing that always seems to get missed is many are building their private empires on public money. There must be a better and cheaper way without lining the pockets of the already rich, and without disincentivising the unemployed from getting back to work.

Why does it matter that some people make money out of it? It's not evil to make a profit. Home owning private indiciduals have made huge amounts out of owning houses, why not BTL landlords who provide a necessary service.

Tescos et al make huge profits selling food to people, should we be looking for a way to feed the population which ensures no one gets rich off the back of it?

ukcarper

hardassets wrote: »

Or just get repossessed.

Wait for next year the 480 a week cap. Then auction houses will be full of repo's.

As it will mainly be 4 bed plus houses that are affected, as the 3-bed rate is less than £250 for most of the country I wonder just how full they will be.

homelessskilledworker

Graham_Devon wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-16429879

Couple of issues with this report.

If 30,000 homes are put out of reach, that will be 30,000 homes empty.

As ever, another scare story that seems to ignore that, what seems, irrelevant factoid.

So 30,000 homes empty, with the landlords of said houses losing out on rent each month, having to compete for tenants.

Secondly, let's say, based on the above figures, a tenant would get £300 a week for a 3 bed house. Thats basically £1200 for a four week month. Are houses in wales REALLY that expensive?!

Is this report stating that 30,000 people in wales are paying OVER £1200 a month for a 3 bed rental!!?!? What on EARTH are these people living in!?

£700 a month....
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-20708325.html?showcase=true

Thats a 3 bed, with drive AND garage.

If 30,000 people are going to be displaced due to £300 a week not covering the rent, then what on earth are they living in?! Swish apartments in prime locations!?

I know I have made up the £300, but it was a conservative guess based on the above one and four bed weekly payments. It's probably actually more than £300.

What on earth is going on, when people can't survive in wales based on the above weekly amounts and the properties actually available?

Who or what do the CIH work for!?

I am quite frankly amazed that prices are going to be capped at this level in Wales, if you had told me today that you could get £250 a week for a 1 bed property on HB I would have been shocked at how much they are offering, what the hell was it before?
Lets not forget that HB is to help those in need(which I am in favour of), not an excuse to give the idle better housing than those that work.

I would have said £1000 per month is the max for any sized family in any part of the UK, if you cannot afford the local housing then move. If I had my way I would halve the welfare bill overnight, it is just crazy how much they are throwing at lazy poncing spongers in 2012, we would save Billions of £'s

BobQ

Graham_Devon wrote: »

If 30,000 homes are put out of reach, that will be 30,000 homes empty.

!?

Presumably those in work will have the opportunity to move to better areas which are closer to their work, moving out of the ghettos that will increasingly be full of benefits claimants who will be moving into those areas. Social Engineering, Cameron style.

LydiaJ

Moving the LHA rate from the 50th centile to the 30th centile means that 20% of rental properties change from being affordable on LHA to being affordable only to those who are willing to pay some of their own money - whether that's tenants who don't get LHA or tenants who do get LHA but top it up. This applies everywhere, regardless of the cap. Whether it's a big deal or not depends on the local rental market, and the proportion of tenants who are reliant on LHA in order to pay their rent.

heathcote123

BobQ wrote: »

Presumably those in work will have the opportunity to move to better areas which are closer to their work, moving out of the ghettos that will increasingly be full of benefits claimants who will be moving into those areas. Social Engineering, Cameron style.

I'd hope so, would you work really hard in order to share an area with a bunch of layabouts?