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TruckerT

I confess that I only heard the interviews with FW DeKlerk, and SirVictor Blank - that's a good name for a banker innit!

Both interviewees seemed to concede/claim that they actually had no choice in the policies in which they partook

So who actually controls the societies in which we all live?

TruckerT

TruckerT

TruckerT wrote: »

I confess that I only heard the interviews with FW DeKlerk, and SirVictor Blank - that's a good name for a banker innit!

Both interviewees seemed to concede/claim that they actually had no choice in the policies in which they partook

So who actually controls the societies in which we all live?

TruckerT

Check out tonight's Channel4 News - Matt Frei (how the fck do you spell his name...) is clearly of the opinion that the St Pauls camp is likely to have more effect than the Steve Jobs legacy

TruckerT

Generali

TruckerT wrote: »

I confess that I only heard the interviews with FW DeKlerk, and SirVictor Blank - that's a good name for a banker innit!

Both interviewees seemed to concede/claim that they actually had no choice in the policies in which they partook

So who actually controls the societies in which we all live?

TruckerT

IMHO the people that live in them through quadrillions of tiny decisions made each day.

There is a story, possibly apocryphal, that the farming/food minister from the USSR visited New York and asked one of his US opposites, who is responsible for making sure all the bread gets to New York?

I 'make sure' that bread gets to me by buying it so making it profitable, one way or another, to supply me with bread. There are thousands of similar decisions I will make today: will I put skim or regular milk in my tea, what will I have for breakfast, will I defend my right to free speech or vote/fight for someone that will deny it?

We all control everything so it looks like nobody controls anything.

TruckerT

Generali wrote: »

I 'make sure' that bread gets to me by buying it

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king

TruckerT

A._Badger

Generali wrote: »

We all control everything so it looks like nobody controls anything.

And when they try (the so-called 'planned economies' beloved of the former Soviet bloc) they inevitably learn that the processes are too big, too complex and too random to be centrally controlled.

Sadly, they usually kill a few million people before they get that through their thick skulls. Not that this deters succeeding generations of statists from imagining that all that went wrong was that they just didn't try hard enough.

Generali

TruckerT wrote: »

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king

TruckerT

The price system/free market seems to work pretty well to me. I can't think of a famine in a free market, liberal democracy since WW2 but I can think of plenty in autocracies in their many guises.

I'll carry on ensuring I get fed by encouraging the supply chain by providing it with profit. If you think of a better way be sure to let us know.

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TruckerT you don't need to sign your posts, your name appears at the side of them.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

The price system/free market seems to work pretty well to me. I can't think of a famine in a free market, liberal democracy since WW2 but I can think of plenty in autocracies in their many guises.
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I find myself aligning to the views espoused in the 2nd law of thermodynamics and entropy in general.

http://www.entropylaw.com/entropydisorder.html

In time systems will tend towards decay. Generally, in nature we see a reset mechanism, such as the forest fire. Cycles are just a part of the process.

But we, being pesky humans, believe we can buck these trends with our unending faith in prediction; control; and causality. It will be interesting to see which viewpoint wins out

TruckerT

Generali wrote: »

The price system/free market seems to work pretty well to me

U r a banker, so you would say that wouldn't you?...

Where is the Free Market which allows unsuccessful business models to fail?

TruckerT

ILW

TruckerT wrote: »

U r a banker, so you would say that wouldn't you?...

Where is the Free Market which allows unsuccessful business models to fail?

TruckerT

Most places except for banks and the public sector. Bad businesses fail every day.

TruckerT

ILW wrote: »

Bad businesses fail every day

...except for Banks - why the exception? The public sector is not a business

TruckerT