Well Who is going to lose their Hospital ?

tara747

steveymp wrote: »

I actually think West of the Bann will do quite well out of this for once Shell;) Altnagelvin will definately be one of the 5 acutes as I am guessing will be the new aptly named "Acute Hospital for the South West" when it opens next year. I would be very worried if I lived in Coleraine or Newry/ South Down:o

We do have too many hospitals, it was always a political issue in the past that every town should have one:o When you consider not too long ago Strabane and Limavady had their own hospitals :eek: we are moving in the right direction with rationalization of services. The process will take time and it will hurt some more than others depending on where you live:o

Mr Poots has made it his priority to cure insomnia, with that document today he is well on the way

So, one hospital in Stroke City and one in Enniskillen. What if you live out in the sticks, 45 minutes' drive from one of those places?

A.L.D.A

tara747 wrote: »

So, one hospital in Stroke City and one in Enniskillen. What if you live out in the sticks, 45 minutes' drive from one of those places?

I agree the people proposing ever greater centralisation must never have had to bring anyone into hospital in a real emergency or had someone who needed urgent treatment.

lazer

Taken form the HSC website

http://www.hscni.net/index.php?link=hospitals

Model for Future Hospital Services - the proposals.

The vast majority of people will be within 45 minutes and everyone will be within one hour of emergency care and consultant led maternity services.
10 Acute hospitals at Altnagelvin, Antrim, Belfast City, Causeway, Craigavon, Daisy Hill, Mater, Royal Group, Ulster and a new hospital in or to the north of Enniskillen.
Local hospitals at Downe, Lagan Valley, Mid Ulster, South Tyrone, Tyrone County, and Whiteabbey. However, both Downe and Tyrone County will be an Enhanced Local Hospital and Lagan Valley will become a specialist centre for planned (elective) surgery.

So whenever they came up with that proposal, 10 was considered necessary to enable everyone to be within a hour of emergency services, how far will people be if they cut this to 5 hospitals?

Also - Mr Poots, when comparing NI to GB stated

"We have ten acute hospitals in Northern Ireland serving a population of 1.8 million. This contrasts with other areas of the UK with similar-sized populations, for example in urban areas of Great Britain, which are supported by maybe fewer than half that number"

He is comparing an rural area with an urban area!
If we compare NI with somewhere rural in Britain - is it comparable?

Although in fairness - we do have 3 in Belfast, plus one 10 miles away (Dundonald), is there a potential to merge at least some of these?

steveymp

tara747 wrote: »

So, one hospital in Stroke City and one in Enniskillen. What if you live out in the sticks, 45 minutes' drive from one of those places?

MOVE :rotfl:

Only Joking with our great roads infrastructure (insert rolly eyes) we will never be 45minutes from an emergency hospital, Health Ministers words, not mine;) I'm only relying what I hear so please don't have a go at me

The word on Hospital Street now is that their will be a "Golden 6" rather than the aforementioned 5, in no particular order, Altnagelvin, South West, Craigavon, Antrim, The Royal and The Ulster. These 6 will have 24/7 A&E and emergency surgery cover. The South West Hospital will be greatly encouraged to do business with clients south and west of the border as Altnagelvin and Daisy Hill already do:T

wanchai_2

lazer wrote: »

Taken form the HSC website

http://www.hscni.net/index.php?link=hospitals

Model for Future Hospital Services - the proposals.

The vast majority of people will be within 45 minutes and everyone will be within one hour of emergency care and consultant led maternity services.
10 Acute hospitals at Altnagelvin, Antrim, Belfast City, Causeway, Craigavon, Daisy Hill, Mater, Royal Group, Ulster and a new hospital in or to the north of Enniskillen.
Local hospitals at Downe, Lagan Valley, Mid Ulster, South Tyrone, Tyrone County, and Whiteabbey. However, both Downe and Tyrone County will be an Enhanced Local Hospital and Lagan Valley will become a specialist centre for planned (elective) surgery.

So whenever they came up with that proposal, 10 was considered necessary to enable everyone to be within a hour of emergency services, how far will people be if they cut this to 5 hospitals?

Also - Mr Poots, when comparing NI to GB stated

"We have ten acute hospitals in Northern Ireland serving a population of 1.8 million. This contrasts with other areas of the UK with similar-sized populations, for example in urban areas of Great Britain, which are supported by maybe fewer than half that number"

He is comparing an rural area with an urban area!
If we compare NI with somewhere rural in Britain - is it comparable?

Although in fairness - we do have 3 in Belfast, plus one 10 miles away (Dundonald), is there a potential to merge at least some of these?

AN HOUR??????? Have these people ever been an hour from an A&E???

Furthermore, in the most severe cases, requiring an ambulance, patients will have to wait for the ambulance to arrive and THEN be driven to a hospital an hour away.

As for comparing urban and rural provision, words fail me.

If you live out in the sticks or you don't have a car - you're on your own, according to Mr Poots.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

lazer

wanchai wrote: »

AN HOUR??????? Have these people ever been an hour from an A&E???

Furthermore, in the most severe cases, requiring an ambulance, patients will have to wait for the ambulance to arrive and THEN be driven to a hospital an hour away.

As for comparing urban and rural provision, words fail me.

If you live out in the sticks or you don't have a car - you're on your own, according to Mr Poots.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

An hour was with with 10 hospitals, who knows what it will be with 5/6

Personally - I think its a complete mess at the minute anyway due ti boundaries.

My nearest acute hospital is actually Daisy Hill, however due to the Health Service area we live in, the doctors insist on using the Ulster - which is over 10 miles further away - where is the sense in that?

chunter

Hey I don't care how many hospitals they have as long as there are enough ambulances in each town to cater for the population.

Some chance.

shell820810

I am in South Derry and already am 40 mins from Coleraine and Antrim (even more during rush hour) and about 45 from Altnagelvin (might as well just rule it out from November to February due to the state the Glenshane gets in the snow and Ice).

Antrim is already horrendous. It doesnt have the capacity to cope with any more.

Coleraine was brilliant when I was there, very efficient, and despite having to wait on a trolley for a while in the corridor, I had a bed in the ward within 4 hours. Dont even think I had been seen in Antrim at that stage.

I think the amenities for this area are already stretched and inaccessible/suitable for an emergency, let alone taking away one of those options.

warmhands.coldheart

Well folks there is another option!! Keep them all open with 24/7 A&E's and we'll all have to pay another 10% or so on our National Insurance or Tax contribuitions to pay for it?? Hands up for this option??

saverbuyer

warmhands.coldheart wrote: »

Well folks there is another option!! Keep them all open with 24/7 A&E's and we'll all have to pay another 10% or so on our National Insurance or Tax contribuitions to pay for it?? Hands up for this option??

Or we could remove the waste from the other useless parts of our public sector, reduce the pensions and pay for some of the services we actually NEED. Do we really need 240,000 public sector workers??? No need to further tax the little wealth creating sector we have.