Rip Off !!

billsavings

PatrickD wrote: »

In what way are people being ''ripped off'' by phoning a non-premium information line, or a free 0800 number?

Pat

Because the provider will profit from the call,and they are not included in peoples inclusive minutes

ashleypride

PatrickD wrote: »

Here is a list of telephone number types showing the two we use which are 0800...free
0843 ...basic (local rate) number

http://www.telephonenumbers.co.uk/Prefixes/i=1

Pat

That site is wrong. 0843 is a "lo call" revenue sharing telephone number, charged above the standard BT rates land line rates, that means it is a premium number.
However, it isn't in the "Premium Rate Service" group, so it that sense not "Premium".

DaveAA

PatrickD wrote: »

... is a 0800 number. This of course, is free to callers.

It is only free from a landline. From a mobile you're currently looking at 10p to 30p/min.

That said, Ofcom propose that calls to 080 numbers (i.e. 0800 and 0808) become free calls from mobile phones in late 2014.

PatrickD wrote: »

Nifty one, are you under the false impression that a 0843 number is a premium one?

Under any reasonable definition, such as one found in a dictionary, 084 and 087 numbers are "premium rate". They use the exact same revenue share system as 09 numbers albeit at a lower rate: 084 - up to 5p/min; 087 - up to 10p/min; compared to 10p/min to several pounds per minute for 09 numbers.

From late 2014, the revenue share "premium" (thereafter to be known as the "Service Charge") which is built into the cost of calling all 084, 087 and 09 numbers will have to be explicitly declared every time the number is advertised.

ashleypride wrote: »

0843 is a "lo call" revenue sharing telephone number.

The term "lo-call" only ever applied to 0845 numbers, and then only until 2005. It has never applied to 0843 or 0844 numbers. Usage of that term in any way whatsoever will land you in trouble with the ASA. Their site lists a number of such rulings.

ashleypride wrote: »

charged above the standard BT rates land line rates, that means it is a premium number. However, it isn't in the "Premium Rate Service" group, so it that sense not "Premium".

Yes. The caller is charged a "premium", the revenue share fee that is built into the call price. Businesses have spent two decades denying this fee exists. From 2014 the "service charge" as it will become known will have to be declared every time the number is advertised.

084, 087 and 09 numbers are all "premium rate" numbers. Some 087 (those with a Service Charge above 10p/min) and all 09 numbers are also covered by specific PRS regulation.

Non-geographic numbers are complicated. I have tried to explain the details and some of the background over here: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4557431

anamenottaken

DaveAA wrote: »

It is only free from a landline. From a mobile you're currently looking at 10p to 30p/min.

That said, Ofcom propose that calls to 080 numbers (i.e. 0800 and 0808) become free calls from mobile phones in late 2014.


Under any reasonable definition, such as one found in a dictionary, 084 and 087 numbers are "premium rate". They use the exact same revenue share system as 09 numbers albeit at a lower rate: 084 - up to 5p/min; 087 - up to 10p/min; compared to 10p/min to several pounds per minute for 09 numbers.

From late 2014, the revenue share "premium" (thereafter to be known as the "Service Charge") which is built into the cost of calling all 084, 087 and 09 numbers will have to be explicitly declared every time the number is advertised.


The term "lo-call" only ever applied to 0845 numbers, and then only until 2005. It has never applied to 0843 or 0844 numbers. Usage of that term in any way whatsoever will land you in trouble with the ASA. Their site lists a number of such rulings.


Yes. The caller is charged a "premium", the revenue share fee that is built into the call price. Businesses have spent two decades denying this fee exists. From 2014 the "service charge" as it will become known will have to be declared every time the number is advertised.

084, 087 and 09 numbers are all "premium rate" numbers. Some 087 (those with a Service Charge above 10p/min) and all 09 numbers are also covered by specific PRS regulation.

Non-geographic numbers are complicated. I have tried to explain the details and some of the background over here: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4557431

Instead of resurrecting this old thread, why did you not start a new one in a suitable board?

soolin

I think as this thread is 2 years old I think it best to close it to avoid confusion.