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I don't understand this...

wymondham
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edited 29 November 2011 at 9:48PM in Debate House Prices & the Economy
Can someone help me. I've tried to decipher the speech today along with other things, but come up with several bits which don't make sense to me......

Is it correct that if you're paid by Government to work (ie a teacher etc) then your pay rises will be capped to 1%, but if you are unemployed then you'll get an inflation increase many times this amount?

Are we STILL giving 10 billion pounds of 'aid' to Countries, some having their own space and nuclear programmes, yet we are now having to borrow at ever higher record levels? I know aid is all about backhanders etc, but surely the time has come to reign in wasteful spending??

Does building roads really help the economy that much?? I know it employs people to do the work, and the suppliers etc, but surely this is a very small number of people??

Maybe I'm missing something... :o
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  • dlk
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    No you're not missing anything. Public sector getting minimal pay rises. Private sector getting maybe 2 or 3% rises if lucky. Sat at home drinking Carling and smoking Benson & Hedges, here's another 5.2%!!!
    While struggling to control unemployment it seems somewhat baffling that it seems the government want to make it less and less attractive to work. I really can't see how low earners on 12 or 13k a year are encouraged to continue working.
  • It also applies to working tax credits and pensions.
  • I think the idea is that the Sat at home drinking Carling and smoking Benson & Hedges are found &, if they aren't genuine Job Seekers, Disabled etc. that their benefit be removed.

    There's a real need for the Benefit System to be there for those who truly need help. Hopefully many of them on purely a temporary basis. Any one who doesn't think that there but for the Grace of God is fooling themselves.
    The problem at the moment is the fraud, those that know how to work the system & the misguided belief that work isn't worth getting out of bed for.
  • Graham_Devon
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    Nothing was said about housing benefit, which I'm sure would have been mentioned if the cuts were still going ahead next year.

    Has this been shelved? As with rents going up as they are and more people out of work, the housing benefit bill must surely be ballooning?
  • kabayiri
    kabayiri Posts: 22,740 Forumite
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    It's always the same extremes they look after

    - those who smoke Benson & Hedges whilst watching Jezzer Kyle.

    - those who employ a gardener called Benson to cut their Hedges.
  • kabayiri wrote: »
    It's always the same extremes they look after

    - those who smoke Benson & Hedges whilst watching Jezzer Kyle.

    - those who employ a gardener called Benson to cut their Hedges.


    I think they must schedule Mr Kyle to punish people and make them go out looking for work.;)
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

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  • wymondham wrote: »



    Are we STILL giving 10 billion pounds of 'aid' to Countries, some having their own space and nuclear programmes, yet we are now having to borrow at ever higher record levels? I know aid is all about backhanders etc, but surely the time has come to reign in wasteful spending??

    Does building roads really help the economy that much?? I know it employs people to do the work, and the suppliers etc, but surely this is a very small number of people??

    Maybe I'm missing something... :o


    Yep they have reinforced their commitment to international aid helps keep up the facade of being a world power.

    Infrastructure will have some benefit in that it will churn money round the system and squeeze some cash out of the pension funds. It is just a delaying tactic.

    The downside for the pension funds is if they don't get a return on that investment, because the government is unable to pay long term.

    At the end of the day why add an extension if you can't afford the mortgage.

    Another downside of course is with EU tendering regulations the work may well go to a foreign company, who may employ migrant labour sucking yet more of our £s out of the economy.

    Until we get net funds coming into the country through real exports and real jobs in this country then we are not going to come back.

    At the moment it is deckchairs on the Titanic.
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • Mrs_Bones
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    I'm doubtful about this plan to build up the infrastructure which is relying on the pension funds stumping up private investment cash, I just can't see them doing so in the amounts required.
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  • Thrugelmir
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    wymondham wrote: »
    Is it correct that if you're paid by Government to work (ie a teacher etc) then your pay rises will be capped to 1%, but if you are unemployed then you'll get an inflation increase many times this amount?

    Teachers like staff in the NHS. Move up grading scale points over time. So are able to earn reasonable salaries even without high inflationary increases. Far better than those in the private sector.

    18 months ago one Company I was connected to. Reduced its staff pay by 10% across the board in order to survive.

    Difficult times require difficult decisions.
  • dori2o
    dori2o Posts: 8,150 Forumite
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    It also applies to working tax credits and pensions.

    No it does not.
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