£1bn scheme will 'provide hope' to young jobless

wantsajob

Yet more lip service from the Conservative Liberal evil alliance. The incentive is already there, what with minimum wage being lower - there and open for abuse by all companies, including Maccy D's etc. So age discrimination is legal. Will there be any help for other under-privileged groups, or is it, like usual, all about massaging the unemployment figures to make them look good.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15878796

See how the figures fell when various Government schemes were used merely to massage the figures. For example 1996 is about the time the Government started going mad for youth training schemes again - if you're in training, then you're not unemployed.

Vincent_Buenisedes

Just another "back of the fag packet" scheme dreamed up to massage the figures - they are desperate to avoid the dreaded 3m unemployed figure. The main winners in this scheme are the work programme providers as they cream off the fees for administering it. The losers will be the jobcentreplus staff who will have deal with all the bilge that will eminate from Caxton House in the next few months!

TrickyWicky

What jobs do they expect people to do? - There is nothing. The UK is a service country now. Everyone either works in a call centre or at a fast food place it seems these days and there are only so many of them in the country. There simply isn't anything anymore for people to take.

What the government seem to think is that anyone can take ANY job. It doesn't work like that.. sure, some people CAN take any job as they've got all rounder experience or qualifications that allow them to move between sectors but other people can't.

They don't like paying JSA so they throw £1billion at employers instead.. logic?

paddedjohn

Whats wrong with trying? you all seem to write off any initiative that this government comes up with even though some of them are good ideas and this is one of them. The YTS scheme, far from being a bad idea it helped many young people get skills and thus kept them from a life on the dole.
This new scheme will pay half the wage of a young worker whilst they are learning new skills with the other half coming from the employer, the money invested will be injected back into the economy via income tax and spending power of the workers and would save at least 6 months of jsa being paid out. Seems like a good deal all round to me as long as the jobs are in trades where the workers can learn a skill and not just stacking shelves or packing meat.

teajug

paddedjohn wrote: »

Whats wrong with trying? you all seem to write off any initiative that this government comes up with even though some of them are good ideas and this is one of them. The YTS scheme, far from being a bad idea it helped many young people get skills and thus kept them from a life on the dole.
This new scheme will pay half the wage of a young worker whilst they are learning new skills with the other half coming from the employer, the money invested will be injected back into the economy via income tax and spending power of the workers and would save at least 6 months of jsa being paid out. Seems like a good deal all round to me as long as the jobs are in trades where the workers can learn a skill and not just stacking shelves or packing meat.

On the news yesterday that government will be paying for this with money from credit tax savings.


http://news.sky.com/home/politics/article/16117378

paddedjohn

teajug wrote: »

On the news yesterday that government will be paying for this with money from credit tax savings.


http://news.sky.com/home/politics/article/16117378

Good, its about time. The system that evolved under the last Government rewards people to have big famillies and to do as little work as possible, a couple with a kid only have to work 16 hrs between them at present to qualify for handouts, my wife and i work 84hrs a week between us whilst others are as well off while only doing the minimum possible.

Ronaldo_Mconaldo

Below is an important quote made by Theodore Roosevelt:

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face in marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat"

I think it might go some way to answering PaadedJohn's question. The quote basically points out that people should be given credit for attempting to do something, the people who sit around moaning all day, like the rest of the posters on this thread are the inconsequential ones. It's easy to sit around moaning and complaining, talking about your own half baked ideas. But why don't you try to attempt to come up with a better idea rather than just knocking the one put forward in the original post? Too much hard work, that's why.

Another point, in response to TrickyWicky. Your post about people working only in fast food outlets or call centers, now there's some lazy thinking. Below is a link to show you what Britain does produce:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_goods_does_the_UK_produce

Your cliche about Britain not producing things is just plain lazy. We are world leading at producing computer games for one thing. Young people should know a lot about that, but playing on them all day and learning how to create and sell them might be too much like hard work.

getmore4less

During the week on TV(forget when) there were comments on a AUS scheme.

Support was for a year, employer got the refund at the end as long as the person was still employed and were into emplyment rights so could not just be dismissed.

This could have worked in the UK if they were not changing the employment rights to 2 years service.

The current offering will just get some employers cycling through subsidised workers.

newmumincov

They've been doing something similar in Finland for decades.

If you are out of work for 6 months you get offered "labour market support. This is usually a subsidised 6 month+ work placement ( you generally get a limited choice of positions). The govt pays your benefits to your employer who has to top it up and pay you a living wage. If you are in the trades you also get the option to go self-employed with the govt acting to find and subsidise your work.

My uncle (an engineer then in his 50s) was made redundant a few years ago and ended up working as a gym attendant for 6 months, which he said was a blessing as it got him out of the house and motivated to find work (plus staff got free access to the gym facilities).

Another relative got their bathroom done through a susidised plumber who told them he was a recovering alcoholic. And a fine job he did too.

see http://www.kela.fi/in/internet/english.nsf/NET/090702101619EH?openDocument

Vincent_Buenisedes

Ronaldo_Mconaldo wrote: »

...Your cliche about Britain not producing things is just plain lazy. We are world leading at producing computer games for one thing. Young people should know a lot about that, but playing on them all day and learning how to create and sell them might be too much like hard work.

And your assumption about the computer games industry is plain lazy too. You think people just play Call of Duty all day - people who work in video games are usually very highly skilled whether they're in the art department, design or programming.

getmore4less

Vincent_Buenisedes wrote: »

And your assumption about the computer games industry is plain lazy too. You think people just play Call of Duty all day - people who work in video games are usually very highly skilled whether they're in the art department, design or programming.

thats not what was said the point was that the transition to actual developing from playing would be too much hard work.

Another area the UK leads the world is advanced engineering, aerospace and the motor sport industry.