Net migration in 2010 at record high

morag1202

chewmylegoff wrote: »

That's not strictly true, it's just that the only two tools they have to restrict it are seriously nuclear options (i) stop issuing visas to people from outside the EU; (ii) call a referendum on leaving the EU for the purposes of restricting immigration.

There is a third nuclear option.

(iii) stop all benefits to the long term unemployed and offer them a free one way ticket to the country of their choice

Road_Hog

Going4TheDream wrote: »

I appreciate that there are often special skills shortages but its quite ironic when we have 1 million youngsters unable to get jobs and around 2,5 million total unemployed, that we need to have migration in/immigration at those kind of levels at all though wouldn't you say?

You haven't seen nothing yet. Have a look up Mode 4, which they've (government) tries to keep quiet.

Effectively it is a deal with the UK/EU/India, but 85% is coming the way of the UK, where companies are allowed to outsource onshore, which means the work (jobs) are sent to India, but the employees come and work here, but don't count against the immigration figures, because supposedly they're temporary, but as it's on a rotational basis, the job displacement is permanent.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/comment/talking-politics/secret-immigration-policy-tried-hide-104453893.html

http://38degrees.uservoice.com/forums/78585-campaign-suggestions/suggestions/2240969-the-secret-immigration-policy-eu-india-free-trad

"A very important trade deal in this regard is the EU/India Free Trade Agreement (FTA) that has been under negotiation for four years. It has been discovered that Mode 4 concessions are the one thing that the Indian government is demanding. In addition, leaked documentation shows that the liberalised UK will be taking the bulk of the EU's Mode 4 commitment.

In fact Trade Commission staff have admitted that the EU/India FTA is, in effect , 85% a UK deal. That's the percentage of the gains which will accrue to the UK (well, the international financial firms based in London, anyway) while the UK (UK workers, this time) will get that percentage of the pain.

Financial services investment opportunities overseas will not produce jobs here. But workers will be displaced via Mode 4, especially in a time of cuts. Transnational firms will be able to offer cheap onshore outsourcing, using cheaper temporary migrant labour and will also be able to supply labour into other firms allowing them to offload all employer responsibilities.

Within the supposedly 'capped' UK points based system for labour migration, the government has ensured that the categories relevant to trade commitments have no numerical limits. There are no such limits on the 'intra-corporate transferees (ICTs) category in Tier 2 or on the 'international agreements' category in Tier 5. Neither is there any resident labour market test, which would stipulate that jobs have to be offered here first."

"The Labour party has not told the UK public about this EU/India agreement and the centrality of the Mode 4 concessions even though Peter Mandelson initiated all the current agreements. Neither has the Conservative/Liberal coalition, even when David Cameron and Vince Cable led a specific 'trade' delegation to India in 2010. Greens MP Caroline Lucas spent years as an MEP and a member of the European parliament's International Trade Committee (INTA) but has declined to warn UK workers what they are being signed up to, and similarly Ukip, which has two members on the INTA but actually supports the concept of temporary labour from outside the EU being brought in by transnational corporations."

Once we enter this agreement, it is unlikely that it would/can ever be reversed - read the second article for details.

I would just take this opportunity to remind people that the population of India is twice that of the whole of the EU and very much poorer even than the poorest EU countries. So you can imagine the possibility of how many 'temporary' rolling migrant employees that we may get.

Immigration does the UK virtually no favours for the vast majority of the public and workforce. However, if you're running a large business, it's excellent for driving down costs, which is why we have it. People, don't believe the lies you're being told (or not told) about it being good for the economy.

Graham_Devon

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Surely you realise

Errrrrr. Yeah.

Going4TheDream

Road_Hog wrote: »

You haven't seen nothing yet. Have a look up Mode 4, which they've (government) tries to keep quiet.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/comment/talking-politics/secret-immigration-policy-tried-hide-104453893.html

http://38degrees.uservoice.com/forums/78585-campaign-suggestions/suggestions/2240969-the-secret-immigration-policy-eu-india-free-trad

Once we enter this agreement, it is unlikely that it would/can ever be reversed - read the second article for details.

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If this is true then it truly is the scariest thing that I have read for a very very long time.

MrRee_2

OH, yeah GREAT!!

More people to buy less houses ..... this means that prices will just rise beyond all reason!!

Jimmy_31

MrRee wrote: »

OH, yeah GREAT!!

More people to buy less houses ..... this means that prices will just rise beyond all reason!!

Thats exactly what i was thinking.

Its a bl00dy joke if you ask me.

mocannhoff

Without immigrants house prices would fall further. With house prices falling more Brits would lack the money to retire in France, Spain or Australia. The two go hand in hand. As far as the figures are concerned, as they are not controlling exits they are only guessing.

UrWntr

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Tissues at the ready Hamish

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15868793

Highest rated comment on the article is about housing issues. A fair issue.

Prime Minister David Cameron stated "We have noted the increase. We may do something about this in 2026".

Labour Spokesperson Ed Balls stated "This just goes to show how racist the Tory party are......we have a five point plan, and the first point is to something about this in 2028".

Hi Graham,

Could you expand on your point?

I assumed that if the population was increasing, demand for properties would increase, thereby increasing property prices.

What am I missing?

Thanks,

-UrWntr

geneer

I'm pretty sure immigration figures were one of the reasons house prices could never, ever, crash.

How did that work out for them.

MrRee_2

No crash round here ................