Your Money and How They Spend It

paulmapp8306

Maybe be so - BUT the Union leaders need to accept it too. There fighting for things that are just not possible nthe current climate and need to understand that.

We had every possiblility to be high value like germany. Unfortunately that needs manufacturing not knowledge. The Unions effectively ruined our manufacturing base by making it too expensive to run and un-competetive inthe global market with their demands. That led to the government selling off or closing such things as mines, steelworks etc.

gailey_2

Generali wrote: »

Fewer abusive drunks in London shop doorways.
A make-work scheme for unemployed Northerners rebuilding Hadrian's Wall.
An end to Labour Governments in the UK.

Does the SNP still want to join the Euro?

I guess they would want to join euro as think they would have a bailout option if went pearshaped and westminister couldent bail out.

remain in eu as imagine scotland gets eu subsidies too.

They a very socialist party the snp but also very nationalistic.
They have expensive ambitions
even more of a nanny state than labour as they want to produce a min price for booze as so many have drink problems up there.
Think the nhs costs must be vast as they quite an unhealthy nation in terms of drink, obesity and smoking.

Guess they save on justice when giving terroists early release!:rotfl:

I think scotland voted snp as labour so crap and they never vote tory.

would be more interesting in westminister how labour would fare without scottish votes.

Annoys me they can vote on english issues like tuition fees yet we cant have any say on theres.

im not even english im welsh living in england.

A lot of senior labour mps are scottish and feel they did well by scotland ie airfcraft carrier that we couldent afford in gordons constituency!

Cant stand alex salmond he so arraogant and thinks hes god his little side kick nicolas equally annoying.

I have nothing against scottish people though.
its a lovley country just unsure if indepenence is right for them?

I tend to switch off question time if scotland

They area strange one as they have so much more than the welsh

there own legal system similar to frances
their own notes
their own education system no alevels/gcses.

whats the unmployment breakdown for scotland is it worse than england?
As guessing lot of oil industry employees are mix of nationalities as rigs require specific skills.

What we need to do is work out how

to create more jobs in north not public sector?

news announced toyota bringing jobs to uk but think it was midlands.

The sale of northern rock is thankfully keeping jobs up north.

Always wondered why all of the finance industry as has to be based in london? surly with conferencing/electronicaly pressing a button some banks and company head quarters could move to other cities?

But we need to improve infrastructure with better investment in public transport and roads.

my city bristol has just opened huge science park creating 3000 jobs however wont put new motorway access nearby when ringroad already congested and traffic in bristols awful could badly do with rail network or tram system.

Germany does well as they have technical colleges and dont just push academic /high education route they provide skilled jobs compared to us having a sort of unpaid slave labour apprenticeship for the children who were bottom of the class as cant do basics like read and write.

The unions make me so mad even with the changes the public sector pension more generous than the private.They like to blame the banks yet our defecit was high before bank bailout as public sector was out of control and does not create wealth.

kabayiri

paulmapp8306 wrote: »

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We had every possiblility to be high value like germany. Unfortunately that needs manufacturing not knowledge. The Unions effectively ruined our manufacturing base by making it too expensive to run and un-competetive inthe global market with their demands. That led to the government selling off or closing such things as mines, steelworks etc.

I don't agree with this bit about manufacturing. Investment in manufacturing is a long term commitment with heavy capital injection up front.

We seem to think we can have high quality manufacturing without the necessary capital injection. I have said before I have been involved in pricing up a new plant only to see it being abandoned in favour of cheap Chinese manual labour. Good economics or short term investment city lead, you decide.

Modern SCARA robots have never been more cost effective than they are today. They have higher accuracy; less downtime; good footprint and good cycle times. They just take longer to pay back than using a Chinese or Korean person on 50 or a 100 dollars a month.

StevieJ

OptionARMAGEDDON wrote: »

currently circa -30k p.a. not a happy bunny.

I thought you were a public sector worker

StevieJ

gailey wrote: »

Always suspected devoloution was trouble.
Annoys me im half hour from welsh border yet they get free prescriptions!
!

I am fairly close to Wales, the trick is to get a doctor over there and it is free for you too as they say up north 'owt for nowt'

kabayiri

StevieJ wrote: »

I thought you were a public sector worker

I seem to remember OptionA was one of the flight crew in the Air Force.

That's the air force which wasted billions on a failed refit of Nimrods.

Money waste we can ill afford.

paulmapp8306

kabayiri wrote: »

I don't agree with this bit about manufacturing. Investment in manufacturing is a long term commitment with heavy capital injection up front.

We seem to think we can have high quality manufacturing without the necessary capital injection. I have said before I have been involved in pricing up a new plant only to see it being abandoned in favour of cheap Chinese manual labour. Good economics or short term investment city lead, you decide.

Modern SCARA robots have never been more cost effective than they are today. They have higher accuracy; less downtime; good footprint and good cycle times. They just take longer to pay back than using a Chinese or Korean person on 50 or a 100 dollars a month.

True - but at one time we already had a lot of the infrastructure. Investment was needed to bring some of it up to date - BUT instead the investment went into "knowledge" based areas - and the infrastructure and manufacturing int he UK in general went to ruin.

Now we need those jobs and those exports but we havent got them. Its much harder to restart it - as you say.

zagubov

gailey wrote: »

I guess they would want to join euro as think they would have a bailout option if went pearshaped and westminister couldent bail out.

remain in eu as imagine scotland gets eu subsidies too. Or maybe save money by joining EFTA? Or promising an EU referendum within 5-10 years of Independence? That might be a real vote-winner!

They a very socialist party the snp but also very nationalistic.
They have expensive ambitions
even more of a nanny state than labour as they want to produce a min price for booze as so many have drink problems up there.
Think the nhs costs must be vast as they quite an unhealthy nation in terms of drink, obesity and smoking. I think you're contradicting your previous point, at least in spirit! And Finland had that problem and fixed it!

Guess they save on justice when giving terroists early release!:rotfl:What? just one? why not hundreds with thousands of British ciizens blood on their hands, in another nation very near by!

I think scotland voted snp as labour so crap and they never vote tory. Nope, they were just very competent. Masses still voted Labour but they'd seen the alternative, and I guess they liked it!

would be more interesting in westminister how labour would fare without scottish votes. Badly
Annoys me they can vote on english issues like tuition fees yet we cant have any say on theres. Of course the SNP don't vote on these things.

im not even english im welsh living in england.

A lot of senior labour mps are scottish and feel they did well by scotland ie airfcraft carrier that we couldent afford in gordons constituency! not Scotland's fault the UK governement wants an aircraft carrier with unafordable aircraft- hardly an indicator of good UK financial nous!
Cant stand alex salmond he so arraogant and thinks hes god his little side kick nicolas equally annoying. Well I know lots of English people who wish they had politicians who'd stick up for their people like these guys do!
I have nothing against scottish people though.
its a lovley country just unsure if indepenence is right for them? What, not like the other nearly 200 countries of the workld -they're uniquely unsuited to it?
I tend to switch off question time if scotland what?

They are a strange one as they have so much more than the welsh

there own legal system similar to frances
their own notes
their own education system no alevels/gcses.,also a bit like France's

whats the unmployment breakdown for scotland is it worse than england?
As guessing lot of oil industry employees are mix of nationalities as rigs require specific skills. Scotland welcomes incomers

What we need to do is work out how

to create more jobs in north not public sector?

news announced toyota bringing jobs to uk but think it was midlands.

The sale of northern rock is thankfully keeping jobs up north.

Always wondered why all of the finance industry as has to be based in london? surly with conferencing/electronicaly pressing a button some banks and company head quarters could move to other cities? There's loads of it in Edinburgh

But we need to improve infrastructure with better investment in public transport and roads.

my city bristol has just opened huge science park creating 3000 jobs however wont put new motorway access nearby when ringroad already congested and traffic in bristols awful could badly do with rail network or tram system. You can buy one from Edinburgh !

Germany does well as they have technical colleges and dont just push academic /high education route they provide skilled jobs compared to us having a sort of unpaid slave labour apprenticeship for the children who were bottom of the class as cant do basics like read and write.

The unions make me so mad even with the changes the public sector pension more generous than the private.They like to blame the banks yet our defecit was high before bank bailout as public sector was out of control and does not create wealth. That's why where's such an enormous queue to work in the public sector!

What an enjoyable post!:)