Grants for heat pumps

tunnel

Hiya Mart,

I've been looking into these again(curiosity) and it would seem that there will be a FIT for these all be it another name(Renewable Heat Incentive (RHI))

Have a look at this site :- http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Generating-energy/Getting-money-back/Renewable-Heat-Incentive-RHI

It does indeed show that there will different rates, indeed if i'm not mistaken, doesn't Zeupater have solar thermal as that could receive the RHI.

I know on the other thread you mentioned you were interested in aircon/heating. May be worth a good dig around to see what's available and necessary to be able to claim it when it starts next year.

I'm certainly not going to pay £13k as was quoted but if there's something that can be had a lot cheaper that's eligible and could be run "free" from the panels then maybe its worth looking at again.

Bit more net nerding required me thinks :think:

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tunnel wrote: »

Hiya Mart,

I've been looking into these again(curiosity) and it would seem that there will be a FIT for these all be it another name(Renewable Heat Incentive (RHI))

Have a look at this site :- http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Generating-energy/Getting-money-back/Renewable-Heat-Incentive-RHI

It does indeed show that there will different rates, indeed if i'm not mistaken, doesn't Zeupater have solar thermal as that could receive the RHI.

I know on the other thread you mentioned you were interested in aircon/heating. May be worth a good dig around to see what's available and necessary to be able to claim it when it starts next year.

I'm certainly not going to pay £13k as was quoted but if there's something that can be had a lot cheaper that's eligible and could be run "free" from the panels then maybe its worth looking at again.

Bit more net nerding required me thinks :think:

Come the colder months I'd be surprised if you could run a heat pump from the PV. In the thick of winter the PV might reduce ASHP running costs by 10%. Yes there are times in the shoulder months where you could reach free running costs and of course with this brilliant spring & summer the ASHP is sitting there dormant doing nout...

That said if you are considering buying a single wall mounted unit which can heat/cool then there is more chance of free running but then that's only heating one room[ish] so sort if cheating

Cheers and all the best.

Youknowme_2

Still some fine print to be sorted out with the RHI, particularly arround timing and acceptance of applications.

One point to note is that air to air heat pump systems are not supported under RHI.

Really air source heat pumps only make sense in off gas grid properties at present, even with the new incentive.

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Youknowme wrote: »

Still some fine print to be sorted out with the RHI, particularly arround timing and acceptance of applications.

One point to note is that air to air heat pump systems are not supported under RHI.

Really air source heat pumps only make sense in off gas grid properties at present, even with the new incentive.

+1

RHI - Yawn...

If it happens, I'm already classed as legacy :rotfl:

EDIT - Now that it is much watered down... so much for it being an annuity for my Maldives hols

tunnel

I'm still interested to learn more as my parents are off grid and using LPG. I'm getting them some quotes for panels(E/W split) and then maybe look more into the ASHP for them. Hopefully then the fine print will be sorted and make a little more sense for them. I've even been researching a wind turbine as where they live is pretty remote and wide open, it's the planning part of that that's the stumbling block. My parents are elderly and can't be ar*ed with the hassle.

EricMears

tunnel wrote: »

I've even been researching a wind turbine as where they live is pretty remote and wide open, it's the planning part of that that's the stumbling block. My parents are elderly and can't be ar*ed with the hassle.

PP may not be the problem you think. have you read this page ?

Martyn1981

tunnel wrote: »

Hiya Mart,

I've been looking into these again(curiosity) and it would seem that there will be a FIT for these all be it another name(Renewable Heat Incentive (RHI))

It does indeed show that there will different rates, indeed if i'm not mistaken, doesn't Zeupater have solar thermal as that could receive the RHI.

I know on the other thread you mentioned you were interested in aircon/heating. May be worth a good dig around to see what's available and necessary to be able to claim it when it starts next year.

Bit more net nerding required me thinks :think:

Hiya T, I've been a nerding, so to speak. Found the RHI stuff, but if that ever appears fully ..... also I don't think I'd qualify as it would be a small supplementary system.

Anyways, as I have GCH I doubt any change to ASHP will be that beneficial, also, my gas consumption, including DHW and oven, is very low (~£400 pa).

So it seems my idea is very, very marginal, and that is to kill two birds with one stone. Get the luxury of AC, with 'free' leccy (or approx 3.3p kWh leccy) and also get top up heating in the marginal months Mch/Apr & Sept/Oct, when external temp should/might give a COP of 3, heating demand will be low, and 'free' leccy (PV) should be available (lowest Oct 227kWhs - highest Apr 509kWhs).

I currently support my marginal heating with leccy heating of between 240W to 640W in those months, to keep the chill off 2 rooms, either between GCH heating, or instead of on sunny days as solar gain heats up the house. So the thought of possibly tripling the efficiency is interesting, but I'm sceptical of whether that COP is achievable, and whether a split system, even one supplying 2 rooms, would have enough effect on the house in general.

Also the cost would have to be nearer £1k and that might be asking too much (way too much?).

But if possible, and saves around £60 to £80pa, plus provides more efficient heating, and provides some AC luxury, then it might be worth me nerding this a little further before giving it up as a bad idea. Hmmmm!

Mart.

zeupater

tunnel wrote: »

Hiya Mart,

I've been looking into these again(curiosity) and it would seem that there will be a FIT for these all be it another name(Renewable Heat Incentive (RHI))

Have a look at this site :- http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Generating-energy/Getting-money-back/Renewable-Heat-Incentive-RHI

It does indeed show that there will different rates, indeed if i'm not mistaken, doesn't Zeupater have solar thermal as that could receive the RHI.

I know on the other thread you mentioned you were interested in aircon/heating. May be worth a good dig around to see what's available and necessary to be able to claim it when it starts next year.

I'm certainly not going to pay £13k as was quoted but if there's something that can be had a lot cheaper that's eligible and could be run "free" from the panels then maybe its worth looking at again.

Bit more net nerding required me thinks :think:

Hi

If I've read the latest communication correctly, it looks like RHI will effectively pay ~£1500 (over 7 years) towards a large solar thermal system which will likely cost somewhere between £3k & £5k (and possibly considerably more) ... if you use a gas boiler to heat your hot water and you are an a tiered tariff you could be looking at a saving of ~£70-£100/year in energy costs .... of course, to access the RHI contribution you would need to pay between £100 & £200 for a green deal 'Noddy' energy efficiency assessment which simply puts more money into industry pockets for no real gain, either to energy savings or to the householder.

In my opinion, if this is the case, the government have completely screwed-up yet another policy ... no-one would seriously consider this level of assistance as being an incentive and will simply install pv and a proportional load control system for water heating because it actually provides a reasonable payback, hence driving absolutely no growth to the thermal industry sector, which in some aspects is considerably more mature than the pv sector..

This approach is totally ridiculous considering the relative efficiency of solar thermal in terms of energy provision/sqm of collector area ..... in bright sunlight our system delivers up to 4kW.t into a tank of cool water, reducing to ~1kw.t when the bottom of the cylinder is really hot (70C+), this being from a roof area equivalent to around 4x250W pv panels ....

Looks like some idiot who 'knows' but doesn't 'understand' has been involved again ... loads of public money going into administration for little actual effect ....

HTH
Z

zeupater

Martyn1981 wrote: »

Hiya T, I've been a nerding, so to speak. Found the RHI stuff, but if that ever appears fully ..... also I don't think I'd qualify as it would be a small supplementary system.

Anyways, as I have GCH I doubt any change to ASHP will be that beneficial, also, my gas consumption, including DHW and oven, is very low (~£400 pa).

So it seems my idea is very, very marginal, and that is to kill two birds with one stone. Get the luxury of AC, with 'free' leccy (or approx 3.3p kWh leccy) and also get top up heating in the marginal months Mch/Apr & Sept/Oct, when external temp should/might give a COP of 3, heating demand will be low, and 'free' leccy (PV) should be available (lowest Oct 227kWhs - highest Apr 509kWhs).

I currently support my marginal heating with leccy heating of between 240W to 640W in those months, to keep the chill off 2 rooms, either between GCH heating, or instead of on sunny days as solar gain heats up the house. So the thought of possibly tripling the efficiency is interesting, but I'm sceptical of whether that COP is achievable, and whether a split system, even one supplying 2 rooms, would have enough effect on the house in general.

Also the cost would have to be nearer £1k and that might be asking too much (way too much?).

But if possible, and saves around £60 to £80pa, plus provides more efficient heating, and provides some AC luxury, then it might be worth me nerding this a little further before giving it up as a bad idea. Hmmmm!

Mart.

Hi

I really do agree that a small & efficient Air/Air heat-pump setup would be far more appropriate to look into installing to complement a typical domestic-scale pv system, especially so considering that it has the added advantage of providing summer cooling when necessary as well as heat provision in Spring & Autumn ...

I'll open a separate discussion thread for this combination ...

HTH
Z

tunnel

Here ya go Mart,

http://ecoairdirect.com/split-air-conditioning/bravo-non-inverter/inverter-air-conditioning-12000btu-bravo-inverter-eco1216sd.html

That should run nicely in your marginal months, just over 1kWh an hour to run for both heating and cooling and all for a snippet under £470.

Guess it'd be better if I had a wind turbine so I could run mine in the wee dark hours at no cost:D