Complicated question - in redundancy as was unsure what thread to post in.

SarEl

Oh dear - how to reduce tons of case law to something understandable! And preferably short!

Any termination of contract due to the job / work not existing going forward is a redundancy. That applies if you have worked ther two years or two weeks! But you only gain legal rights after a period of time. 12 months (currently) is unfair dismissal. We all get that. At 12 months and one day then every employee gets the right to claim unfair dismissal. So it is actually at that point that the employer must fairly dismiss - and this even applies to redundancies. In fact the idea that redundancy rights "kick in" at two years is a myth - the only thing that kicks in is redundancy payments.

So the fact is that any employer terminating any employee who can claim unfair dismissal without a very good reason is screwed. The whole point of the regulations I quoted above is that you can't!

SarEl

KiKi wrote: »

SarEl, why should their FTC ending mean that the people in the perm positions are suddenly at risk? Is it purely because they are all doing exactly the same job?

KiKi

Yes. Simples! That reminds me - where the hell is my meerkat - it's been months since I claimed it!

KiKi

SarEl wrote: »

Yes. Simples! That reminds me - where the hell is my meerkat - it's been months since I claimed it!

Thank you. I've learnt something today.

KiKi

SarEl

KiKi wrote: »

Thank you. I've learnt something today.

KiKi

But do you know where my meerkat is? Is there a board to complain about late delivery of my meerkat?

KiKi

SarEl wrote: »

But do you know where my meerkat is? Is there a board to complain about late delivery of my meerkat?

I don't, I'm very sorry. I hate to suggest it, but if it was meerkat-shaped, it may have been nicked by a postman with a crazed infatuation for mongooses.

getmore4less

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

This is exactly what is happening at work at the moment. The staff that are coming to the end of their contracts are going through the process, and have been given notice that they are being dismissed as a result of their contracts ending; but the rest of us are not being put on consulation! They have all had to have meetings or phone meetings to inform them that it is happening. And they are being given time off for interviews etc, as if it was a redundancy. But that's it.

However I didn't know about the right to redundancy payments. They may or may not be getting those; probably if they are over 2 years service [and some are] they have been told not to discuss individual circumstances.

However it is worrying that your HR don't know this; are you discussing the situation with them at the moment? Do you need to point them in the direction of the gov website?

the old divide and screw approach

How many are involved?

Might there be enough that collective redundancies are involved.


Someone needs to inform everyone of their basic rights

SarEl

getmore4less wrote: »

the old divide and screw approach

How many are involved?

Might there be enough that collective redundancies are involved.


Someone needs to inform everyone of their basic rights

I agree - but who is going to do it if they don't know their rights and it puts the person advising them at risk?

And do you know where my meerkat is???

Sambucus_Nigra

getmore4less wrote: »

the old divide and screw approach

How many are involved?

Might there be enough that collective redundancies are involved.


Someone needs to inform everyone of their basic rights

I couldn't possibly say! Although my role is the same title, the job is completely different luckily. But it will be useful info to have when my contract ends. So thanks SarEl for the heads up.

SarEl

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

I couldn't possibly say! Although my role is the same title, the job is completely different luckily. But it will be useful info to have when my contract ends. So thanks SarEl for the heads up.

You are welcome.

Do you know where my meerkat is???

KiKi

SarEl wrote: »

Do you know where my meerkat is???

Have you had a tipple tonight, my dear?