Looks like another public sector (Italy) is about to bring down the country

Thrugelmir

J_i_m wrote: »

Yes, it's all too easy to blame public sectors.

I'd point out that we actually have a two year pay freeze in place and pensions are being addressed in some form of manner.

Many public sector workers are on grading scales. Its estimated that around 75% will still receive a pay rise this financial year (2011/12).

So not a total freeze as many in the private sector have endured.

The_White_Horse

What do we want?

Loads more Money!

When do we want it?

Now!

Where is it coming from?

Er...

The_White_Horse

this is why the public sector needs shooting:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6127407/Council-workers-paid-to-stand-in-a-lift.html

Peelerfart

andybenw wrote: »

Fair enough there may be a few LGBT workers to get rid of etc.

Don't we need those to fill the holes no-one else wants to?

Old_Slaphead

Peelerfart wrote: »

Don't we need those to fill the holes no-one else wants to?

Wouldn't it be better to use tarmac ?

ILW

J_i_m wrote: »

Yes, it's all too easy to blame public sectors.

I'd point out that we actually have a two year pay freeze in place and pensions are being addressed in some form of manner. The problem is that if you take too much money away from the public sector, then we're no longer be able afford as many skilled nurse's, teachers, police officers, fire fighters etc... Care levels would be in serious danger of falling the cliff, they aren't perfect as they are. But if too much funding is taken away and more harm happens because of it the very same people complaining now would be even more outraged.

And we really do need to get rid of this silly notion that public sector workers are leeches on society. The emergency crews who attended the M5 crash are leeches are they? No of course they're not, they responded to the call terrifically, but who would have attended if the public sector is wasted by drastic cut backs?

In my view the wages and pensions are not the problem. It's the money elsewhere that gets wasted. ID cards, new NHS computer system are prime examples. Hospital car parks are a disgrace, extoriante fees and money doesn't even go into the hospitals... it goes into private hands.

My point is that they are far more pressing areas of funding mismanagement in public services than the wages of it's staff.

Why do people always bang on about nurese, firemen etc. Yesterday as part of my job I went to an NHS admin department, there appeared to be a lot of effort and time being put into arranging the Xmas party and on top of that there were two collections going on, one for someones birthday and another for someone who was retiring. This was at 10oc in the morning and nobody seemed to want to put a stop to it.

worldtraveller

ILW wrote: »

Why do people always bang on about nurese, firemen etc. Yesterday as part of my job I went to an NHS admin department, there appeared to be a lot of effort and time being put into arranging the Xmas party and on top of that there were two collections going on, one for someones birthday and another for someone who was retiring. This was at 10oc in the morning and nobody seemed to want to put a stop to it.

Friend was working for the NHS as consultant last year and had to attend a meeting at a UK hotel to discuss policy for the next few months. Several senior NHS staff were in attendance, as well as junior staff who had all travelled from around the country at great expense to the taxpayer. Do you know what was discussed first, and at length? Why had their 1st class rail travel allowance been taken away?!! This was apparently a "taken" for all staff, including junior secretaries. There was absolutely no discussion of policy! Friend was absolutely astounded, to say the very least!

A whole lot of them still just don't get it, do they! :rotfl:

ILW

worldtraveller wrote: »

Friend was working for the NHS as consultant last year and had to attend a meeting at a UK hotel to discuss policy for the next few months. Several senior NHS staff were in attendance, as well as junior staff who had all travelled from around the country at great expense to the taxpayer. Do you know what was discussed first, and at length? Why had their 1st class rail travel allowance been taken away?!! This was apparently a "taken" for all staff, including junior secretaries. There was absolutely no discussion of policy! Friend was absolutely astounded, to say the very least!

A whole lot of them still just don't get it, do they! :rotfl:

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