Head hunted for new start up not sure what to ask for

jfh7gwa

Yes, when you put it like that, it's definitely not enough to chew someone's arm off for, is it? Loss of time with your daughter, plus the risk factors (fairly significant ones that Emmzi outlined - no matter what promises are made to you - they're trying to win your switch at the moment - don't place 100% faith that the "guaranteed" work is 100% guaranteed).

On the other hand, you've identified that it's a promotion and that you're quite stressed at your current work. and only YOU will know the value of those elements... at least I hope this thread has helped to clarify the financial side of things!

(and if you do decline, i wouldn't be afraid to show some insight into your financial calculations - when i turned down the 5k payrise offer i posted about earlier, the hiring woman couldn't believe i'd turned it down purely on the finances... she actually asked me if that was the genuine reason (!)... and i had to explain that even though they would be paying a few grand over the market rate for the role, when you looked at my current package i couldn't justify it, as the main breadwinner at the time, to move to something which left me worse off NO MATTER HOW MUCH I WANTED TO WORK FOR THEM... i think even when i emailed her back to explain that bit she still didn't really believe me that it was all down to the money side of things. it's all well and good being idealistic and going for a job you want, but if their salary/benefits package doesn't add up, it's a no-go, isn't it?)

minority

jfh7gwa wrote: »

(and if you do decline, i wouldn't be afraid to show some insight into your financial calculations - when i turned down the 5k payrise offer i posted about earlier, the hiring woman couldn't believe i'd turned it down purely on the finances... she actually asked me if that was the genuine reason (!)... and i had to explain that even though they would be paying a few grand over the market rate for the role, when you looked at my current package i couldn't justify it, as the main breadwinner at the time, to move to something which left me worse off NO MATTER HOW MUCH I WANTED TO WORK FOR THEM... i think even when i emailed her back to explain that bit she still didn't really believe me that it was all down to the money side of things. it's all well and good being idealistic and going for a job you want, but if their salary/benefits package doesn't add up, it's a no-go, isn't it?)

This is what is most important to me as with 3 month daughter i need to know i can support her plus her mother will reduce her hours when she goes back .

i also think i mght end up more stressed at new job as it start up, in private sector etc where uni bit more family freindly but if i do decide to stay at current job could i use this to get increase??

ILW

The main factor should be your attitude to risk. I would have thought your current position is very secure. the new one could be more lucrative but much more risky. I would be looking for equity.

Emmzi

universities are notoriously bad at letting people go. So you are about as secure as you are going to get. You also have a reasonable union looking at your rights, pension, etc.

I'd be doing anything I could to make current job more bearable.

minority

Emmzi wrote: »

universities are notoriously bad at letting people go. So you are about as secure as you are going to get. You also have a reasonable union looking at your rights, pension, etc.

I'd be doing anything I could to make current job more bearable.

These things I have issue with hoepfully be resolved next year but we are a small team trying to look after hundred of systems and dev new ones.

I think in my present circumstances i am not after a great deal of risk but I do want to progress and prob if I didn't have a family to support I would of jumped straight in!

minority

If I do decide not to take it can i not use it to my advantage to get payrise

Emmzi

universities usually have union negotiated paybanding so unlikely. You can ask.

jfh7gwa

Well you can explain that you've had other offers; but think of all the outcomes of telling them.

1) you let them know you've been thinking of looking elsewhere (flag yourself as potentially moving, even if not just yet, in the short-medium term)... they can justify not promoting you/other internal issues such as boss being !!!!ed off

2) if they agree to a payrise, you've still flagged yourself as a potential mover

3) they might see right through you - when you say you've had another offer - they ask where/how much - no matter how you fluff around details or exaggerate the rate, they might feel they have more power than you as you clearly didn't go for it (yet)

4) they might straight out say no, and therefore you've gained nothing at all, short of alienated your current employer!

put it this way: never demand a payrise at your current employer with "I've been offered ABC elsewhere" unless you're comfortable about biting the bullet and taking that other offer at this other place.

otherwise, if i wasn't in a position to move, i'd not reveal this information and use the other elements you flagged (over worked, lack of personal development) as your bargaining tool. NOT that you had another offer elsewhere.

minority

jfh7gwa wrote: »

Well you can explain that you've had other offers; but think of all the outcomes of telling them.

1) you let them know you've been thinking of looking elsewhere (flag yourself as potentially moving, even if not just yet, in the short-medium term)... they can justify not promoting you/other internal issues such as boss being !!!!ed off

2) if they agree to a payrise, you've still flagged yourself as a potential mover

3) they might see right through you - when you say you've had another offer - they ask where/how much - no matter how you fluff around details or exaggerate the rate, they might feel they have more power than you as you clearly didn't go for it (yet)

4) they might straight out say no, and therefore you've gained nothing at all, short of alienated your current employer!

put it this way: never demand a payrise at your current employer with "I've been offered ABC elsewhere" unless you're comfortable about biting the bullet and taking that other offer at this other place.

otherwise, if i wasn't in a position to move, i'd not reveal this information and use the other elements you flagged (over worked, lack of personal development) as your bargaining tool. NOT that you had another offer elsewhere.

That true but I was seeing it as I didn't go looking for it they seemed me out.ah have no clue what to do lose of time we my daughter is bit that most bugging me but I don't see a future or prob any future pay increases at uni.

This is hard compared to.when I moved to uni.

Owain_Moneysaver

minority wrote: »

These things I have issue with hoepfully be resolved next year but we are a small team trying to look after hundred of systems and dev new ones.

That's what passes for exciting in the world of IT.

Better than sitting in an empty office twiddling your thumbs and wondering if the bank manager will authorise the overdraft so your next pay cheque doesn't go boing boing boing.