Not getting paid for hours worked

Dan_Iggulden

laurz121 wrote: »

Looks like you've got three options. 1. Stop complaining about it and be thankful that you have a job. 2. Quit and get another job. 3. Try to start a big investigation and find yourself unemployed by the end of the day.

I don't mean to sound unhelpful or rude but that is the reality of the situation you're in. You've only just started your job and your boss can quite legally sack you for no reason at all if they want to and trying to get them done for breaching employment law will certainly get you sacked. You've got to decide whether having the job is worth working half an hour a night unpaid. If it is then put up with it, if it isnt then leave.

It has to be said I feel this is the most valid point. There are plenty of people out there who would give their left arm for a job, of any description. You either need to suck it up, or find a new job. Also consider this, if you start a big investigation into said bar company, word gets around quickly and you may adversely effect your employment options in the local area.
Food for thought. :beer:

ladynh

laurz121 wrote: »

Looks like you've got three options. 1. Stop complaining about it and be thankful that you have a job. 2. Quit and get another job. 3. Try to start a big investigation and find yourself unemployed by the end of the day.

I don't mean to sound unhelpful or rude but that is the reality of the situation you're in. You've only just started your job and your boss can quite legally sack you for no reason at all if they want to and trying to get them done for breaching employment law will certainly get you sacked. You've got to decide whether having the job is worth working half an hour a night unpaid. If it is then put up with it, if it isnt then leave.

Oh thank you so much for the GREAT ADVICE.....1. Yeah I am sure you would be thankful working for nothing....
2. The job is part time while I study to be a physiotherapist. If you haven't noticed we are still on the brink of a recession.
3. Not really anything to investigate, I just wanted to find out if the practices are legal.
Please may I offer some advice to you? If you don't have anything sensible to say then it is often better to keep quiet. :mad:

ladynh

Dan_Iggulden wrote: »

It has to be said I feel this is the most valid point. There are plenty of people out there who would give their left arm for a job, of any description. You either need to suck it up, or find a new job. Also consider this, if you start a big investigation into said bar company, word gets around quickly and you may adversely effect your employment options in the local area.
Food for thought. :beer:

So basically you are saying it is ok for employers to exploit their staff because they should be too scared to challenge practices?
No wonder this country is in a mess while we have foolish opinions like this. Perhaps your views would be best suited in a communist state.

Edinburghlass_2

I suggest you leave it at that then, you asked for opinions and got them, no need to turn nasty to those who have posted their opinions.

ladynh

Edinburghlass wrote: »

I suggest you leave it at that then, you asked for opinions and got them, no need to turn nasty to those who have posted their opinions.

I didn't ask for OPINIONS, I asked if anyone knew the legalities behind this practice? Their opinions were not in any way answering my question and therefore just sent in an attempt to try and antagonise me.

Thankfully some people do have an element of intelligence and have been very helpful in their replies.

Edinburghlass_2

Jolly good, have a nice evening

Badger_Lady

But the legality IS that your boss can sack you for any reason. That doesn't mean you should be happy about it - it sucks, it really does.

The answer you're looking for is: they cannot legally pay you under minimum wage. But they can sack you if you question it.

geordie_joe

Badger_Lady wrote: »

But the legality IS that your boss can sack you for any reason.

Don't be stupid, it's spineless people like you who are dragging this country down. You here one thing and think it is the law and it applies to everything.

An employer can NOT sack you for any reason. You have heard that you cannot claim unfair dismissal until you have worked for an employer for a year, and assumed it means they don't need a reason if they sack you before you have worked a year.

Try looking up wrongful dismissal, then think to yourself "the OP may have a contract that states they will be paid £X per hour, if their employer makes them work and doesn't pay them £X per hours, is that breach of contract?"

When you have done that, think about this.

You can't get sacked because you are a woman
You can't get sacked because you are NOT a woman
You can't get sacked because you are gay
You can't get sacked because you NOT gay
You can't get sacked because you are pregnant
You can't get sacked because you NOT pregnant
You can't get sacked because you are catholic
You can't get sacked because you are NOT catholic


And you can't get sacked for a million other reasons.

Then go back to sitting and thinking anyone can do anything to you and you can't do anything about it. We all know you think that because you haven't got the backbone to stand up for yourself.

Badger_Lady wrote: »

The answer you're looking for is: they cannot legally pay you under minimum wage. But they can sack you if you question it.

And if you have a spine you can stgand up for yourself, but if you don't have a spine you have to sit at homne trying to convince others it's not worth fighting the fight.Because when uyou haven't got the backbone for a fight the only thing that makes you fell good is persuading others not to fight, because then you can convince yourself you are as good as them.

superkopite

This may be a very controversial post but I would count yourself lucky that you have a job and that if you have to work 30 mins extra without getting paid then fair enough.

In the current climate we all need to do our bit to help our companies get through this tough period.

If you do take this further, i.e courts etc, I suggest you won't get many hours coming your way. In the long term if you do force these companies to pay for every minute that you work they will pay for it through redundancies.

Like another poster suggested, do what you can before Drink Up Time to ensure that when you do kick everyone out you can leave sharpishly

Sorry if I sound uncaring, I do care, but times are tough

kiss_me_now9

Unfortunately that's pretty standard in the pub/club industry.

I've worked in various bars and nightclubs and always had my pay stopped half an hour after time is called (though for the nightclub it was an hour after time as we would be cleaning up until half 4, when the club closed at 2). When I'm working (I only work holidays now as I'm a student) in the pub back at home we always start cleaning up about half 8 for an 11 o clock close, that means at half 8 we start wiping down bottles, refilling stock, wrapping cutlery (we serve food), wiping down glass trolleys and we shut off all but two tills if we can. Then at about half 9/10 we start to push on getting empties in and through the glass washer, shut off half the pub to clean the tables and prep them for the morning, shut off the coffee machine, restock the coffee cups, start to sweep the garden and sort out any cigarette trays etc. That means once time goes and the customers are out, all we have left to do is wipe the bar tops, wash the rest of the glasses, wipe the rest of the tables and sweep/mop the floor as long as we haven't missed anything out. If we're efficient and everyone gets down to their jobs it normally takes us half an hour to 3/4s of an hour to finish after close.

However on busy nights that's not possible and so we're often there for a lot longer, but then again it's still a 'do the job to a good standard as fast as you can' deal and we have lots more people in.