Will things ever get easier for the common man?

tescobabe69

ruggedtoast wrote: »

There are now more of you than there are of us but we still have to pay your pension. And a very nice pension you've promised for yourselves too.

OK, I see, its our fault for not squirting out enough kids ? Glad to see your generation correcting that. My pension, when and if I get it, £5k pa, superb.
Its a pity you cant use the education we paid for to earn a living, instead of moaning here all day.
Why not admit the cause of your angst, you dont stand to inherit owt.
My kids will inherit half each of an average house and a few grand if I havent had to spend it supplementing my meagre pension, but then they probably wont need it.

Niv

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Yes but there were more of you than there were of them.

There are now more of you than there are of us but we still have to pay your pension. And a very nice pension you've promised for yourselves too.

Considering you boomers significantly outnumber 18 - 25 year olds, and also expect them to earn enough to carry you through retirement, I should think you better pay for their educations.

Tution fees are a bit rich imo.

Please tell me you’re not blaming the boomers personally for this? This is a little ridiculous. The system used for state pensions has been around for many years and governments (of ALL parties) have known this situation has been coming for decades. You can’t blame the boomers for existing that is just so infuriatingly childish and blinkered. And how have the boomers promised themselves a ‘very nice pension’ no-one has had the luxury to dictate what pension they will have they simply receive / received the norm for the time. Also I think you will find the boomers you like to bash so much have already paid for countless younger generation educations.

I do agree that with your sentiment that tuition fees have gone too far the wrong way; however tuition fees themselves are really not the major issue. These fees and student loans, are not payable until you earn over a threshold amount, and then it is capped at (I believe) 10% income. Uni is still free at the point of access so if a person uses tuition fees as a reason for not going to uni then they are either unaware of the system or looking for an excuse not to go that lets them blame someone else.

Niv

Jimmy_31

Ilya_Ilyich wrote: »

Firstly I think framing taxes as 'taking wealth' is illegitimate when their purpose is ensuring wealth is expended where it's appropriate. Taxes aren't "stolen" from you; they reflect wealth that society believes could be used more effectively than on your caprices.

That said, I believe the idea of `taxes' would be meaningless in a socialist society. In such a society people would work to provide wealth for each other. It's IMHO completely irrelevant to imply that socialism is something you obtain through high taxes; it's more a mindset where people work together towards betterment of society.

Taxes are stolen from me every hour i work.

I do not agree that my taxes should be spent on slappers and knob eds who never ever work.

Some people are now at the stage where they cannot earn enough money to pay the basic bills that are coming in yet the government will still tax this hard working person and give that money to a sponger.

Graft all week and have nowt left for the gas meter because a sponging layabout baby maker has spent your hard earned money on a pair of ugg boots.

I think my taxes could be used more effectively than how its being spent now.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

RenovationMan wrote: »

Certain countries have had the foresight to create Sovereign Wealth Funds. Norway in particular has a huge fully funded pension pot for their retirees.

People in this country don't vote for sensible, long term solutions (bor-ing!). They vote for shiny thing, now, gimme, I want, me me me. Politicians get elected by saying what people want to hear, Vince Cable being the exception perhaps.

I wish the Norwegians would get back in their viking boats and come over to colonise us into being civilised and sensible. Plus their brown cheese is really nice.

CLAPTON

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

People in this country don't vote for sensible, long term solutions (bor-ing!). They vote for shiny thing, now, gimme, I want, me me me. Politicians get elected by saying what people want to hear, Vince Cable being the exception perhaps.

I wish the Norwegians would get back in their viking boats and come over to colonise us into being civilised and sensible. Plus their brown cheese is really nice.

get real
norwegians have huge gas and oil wealth and a small population

kabayiri

Procrastinator333 wrote: »

The economy, jobs and society all move on. People said the same thing about the industrial revolution. The machines would be the end. To the point where they used to smash up the machines. Did they cause the carnage they feared? No. Things change. The only thing that doesn't is that most people fear change.

Indeed they do.

I'm just not sure on our infrastructure. Mass automation through IT has transformed the banking industry, turning thousands of previously admin staff into financial sales staff. Yeah, it's a different sort of output, yes perhaps it's productive, but it also contributed to our debt society!

Oh I dunno. I perhaps should ponder in silence

ruggedtoast

tescobabe69 wrote: »

OK, I see, its our fault for not squirting out enough kids ? Glad to see your generation correcting that. My pension, when and if I get it, £5k pa, superb.
Its a pity you cant use the education we paid for to earn a living, instead of moaning here all day.
Why not admit the cause of your angst, you dont stand to inherit owt.
My kids will inherit half each of an average house and a few grand if I havent had to spend it supplementing my meagre pension, but then they probably wont need it.

Golly, you're all just so penniless. All of these plump, rosy cheeked boomers I see driving around slowly in their nice cars, gliding up the drives of their large astoundingly overpriced houses while hardworking families cram themselves into rented tenements nearby must be a figment of my imagination.

As must all the stats about the huge intergenerational wealth transfer that has taken place from young to old.

The fact that most of you couldnt be bothered to even work more than three days a week back in the 70s just about says it all.



Selfish boomers making Glastonbury even more rubbish. Earlier this year.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

CLAPTON wrote: »

get real
norwegians have huge gas and oil wealth and a small population

But the point is they invested that wealth in long term funds, planning for the day it will inevitably run out. What did we do with our North Sea resources?

ruggedtoast

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

But the point is they invested that wealth in long term funds, planning for the day it will inevitably run out. What did we do with our North Sea resources?

Blew it all to make sure there was none left for the Scots?

Pennywise

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

People in this country don't vote for sensible, long term solutions (bor-ing!). They vote for shiny thing, now, gimme, I want, me me me. Politicians get elected by saying what people want to hear, Vince Cable being the exception perhaps.

I wish the Norwegians would get back in their viking boats and come over to colonise us into being civilised and sensible. Plus their brown cheese is really nice.

People in this country don't have the option to vote for sensible long term solutions. The major parties never offer the option. It's not the people, it's the politicians who are only in it for the short term glory of political posturing. Given a proper choice, I'm sure that the people would indeed vote for the long term answers, even if that meant short term pain. Politicians are too scared - that's why they never offer what the people really want.