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Referendum on the European Union(again)!
deary65
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We, the people of the United Kingdom, are dissatisfied with the result of the EU Referendum Debate on 24 October 2011 and would like the House of Commons to reconsider its decision in light of this petition and grant us an opportunity through a referendum to express our desire on the relationship with the EU.
https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/20133
https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/20133
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If you want to leave the EU, then vote UKIP.0
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Yes, but no, but yes, but no thanks.'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0
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Have we got a death wish or something? Why are people so keen on the ruination of what's left of our fragile economy?"It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0
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Have we got a death wish or something? Why are people so keen on the ruination of what's left of our fragile economy?
Well as someone who spent many years working for British manufacturing...
We exported all over the world - except Europe
Why were our products not deemed suitable for the continent?
First there was the excuse of incompatibility with some obscure and totally irrelevant local/parish specification/regulation.
Then when that wheeze was outlawed
it became......ah yes, well, um perhaps the shade of the paint colour might not be exactly right despite offers to change it or whatever else might be found "defective" in the tender makeup.
It got so ridicolous that we ended up putting in spoof tender bids safe in the knowlede that we would never get the order but if they wanted to waste our time in asking us to bid with no intention of placing an order ever we would drive them apopletic with rage by putting in silly low prices which they could never accept.
Europe open for UK business? - not the one I was in.0 -
Have we got a death wish or something? Why are people so keen on the ruination of what's left of our fragile economy?
The point is that ALL parties have promised the people a referendum and over the last 25yrs or so we have been refused.Its not theres to give ,its a Right.
Succesive Governments have travelled the world making war to bring Democracy and yet we don't have it here and the stench of hypocracy is overwelming. The fact is that now the EU is a world away from free trade zone that was originally set up.
The Political elite have never had any intention of having a referendum on the EU and they wonder why the elctorate are sick to death of their lies and deceit.It was however good to see at least some of the MP's vote for the referendum as their constituants wanted.0 -
ChiefGrasscutter wrote: »Well as someone who spent many years working for British manufacturing...
We exported all over the world - except Europe
Why were our products not deemed suitable for the continent?
First there was the excuse of incompatibility with some obscure and totally irrelevant local/parish specification/regulation.
Then when that wheeze was outlawed
it became......ah yes, well, um perhaps the shade of the paint colour might not be exactly right despite offers to change it or whatever else might be found "defective" in the tender makeup.
It got so ridicolous that we ended up putting in spoof tender bids safe in the knowlede that we would never get the order but if they wanted to waste our time in asking us to bid with no intention of placing an order ever we would drive them apopletic with rage by putting in silly low prices which they could never accept.
Europe open for UK business? - not the one I was in.
I recognise quite a bit of that - particularly where France is concerned. A member of my family heads a British manufacturing business that exports all around the world - one of the few exceptions being France, where an inferior alternative is made locally. The French will buy nothing else.
The EU was designed to be a Franco-German alliance with everyone else as bit players.0 -
Of course if we just deal in facts rather than spurious anecdotes, then we should note that France is the UK's third largest export market in the world (after the USA and Germany), and that 80% of exports to France from the UK are manufactured goods.
We have a deficit with France largely because we buy their food and go on holiday there.US housing: it's not a bubble - Moneyweek Dec 12, 20050 -
We all know about politicians' promises. And we know what we do to honest politicians.leveller2911 wrote: »The point is that ALL parties have promised the people a referendum and over the last 25yrs or so we have been refused.Its not theres to give ,its a Right.
Free trade can only reduce everybody to the lowest common denominator. If you want to improve conditions of employment etc, you can't just leave your markets open to the competition. You have to maintain a level playing field. Anybody who thinks we can leave the EU and still have free trade is in cloud cuckoo land.leveller2911 wrote: »The fact is that now the EU is a world away from free trade zone that was originally set up."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
Free trade can only reduce everybody to the lowest common denominator. If you want to improve conditions of employment etc, you can't just leave your markets open to the competition. You have to maintain a level playing field. Anybody who thinks we can leave the EU and still have free trade is in cloud cuckoo land.
bizarre
so free trade is bad (it reduces to the lowest common demoninator)
but if we leave the EU we will lose free trade which is also bad
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How about we do the free trade bit, which we can all benefit from, but get rid of all the other claptrap including the euro parliament, which simply do not need to exist? There could be central policy framework established to eliminate trade barriers, with agreements over vat, income tax and protectionism in trade. You either sign up or you dont. No bailouts, no euro mps lavishing cash on expensive lunches. Not too hard to imagine is it really?0
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