OH just doesn't understand!

lewistye

While I agree with the fact that your OH clearly over-reacted, it is just plain wrong to say that dogs don't understand the concept of consequences.

Sniffer dogs? The consequence of finding drugs is that they get a treat, therefore they learn to sniff the drugs out whenever possible.

bagginslover

Ahh yes, Positive consequences, hence positive reinforcement training (sorry, I dropped the full words after my first post, I always end up spelling them wrong!), studies have shown that dogs don't understand negative consequences though, so ignoring negative behavior, and praising and rewarding positive behavior works much better, and much quicker.

(positive=required, good. negative=not required, naughty)

Mojisola

lewistye wrote: »

While I agree with the fact that your OH clearly over-reacted, it is just plain wrong to say that dogs don't understand the concept of consequences.

Sniffer dogs? The consequence of finding drugs is that they get a treat, therefore they learn to sniff the drugs out whenever possible.

But it's got to happen immediately. A dog will make no connection between messing his bedding and having to sleep on the floor that night.

dirtysexymonkey

next time your oh shouts at your dog, kick him. after all there are consequences for his actions. if that doesnt work belt him with an iron. i hope your not considering children with him op!

lostinrates

bagginslover wrote: »

Ahh yes, Positive consequences, hence positive reinforcement training (sorry, I dropped the full words after my first post, I always end up spelling them wrong!), studies have shown that dogs don't understand negative consequences though, so ignoring negative behavior, and praising and rewarding positive behavior works much better, and much quicker.

(positive=required, good. negative=not required, naughty)

hmm..that's not quite conclusive. e.g. dogs learn not to touch electric fencing because it has a negative consequence and I know dogs who are well trained by techniques I don't choose to use...

IMO its very much about timing of consequence (positive or negative).

also, an advantage of PR, IMO, is that more complicated shaping is possible to get a more complex set of trained behaviour (theoretically, I don't do any of that myself but used to and do some more basic PR with all our critters) and the bond thing. My animals ENJOY there training because oits fun time. They offer the trained behaviours un asked, probably because they think there is a positive treat or affection consequence.

Positive reward based training is IMO easier, nicer and gives a better bond at the end of the day.

hethmar

Point being no-one, including an animal, CHOOSES to poo on their own bed. No point shouting at an animal who clearly has already worried that he has done this (as you say he tried to cover it up). Its an accident, accidents happen - kids do poo and pee themselves for years and we dont expect them to lay on bare floors because of it.

dirtysexymonkey

hethmar wrote: »

Point being no-one, including an animal, CHOOSES to poo on their own bed. No point shouting at an animal who clearly has already worried that he has done this (as you say he tried to cover it up). Its an accident, accidents happen - kids do poo and pee themselves for years and we dont expect them to lay on bare floors because of it.

youve led a sheltered life!:rotfl:

Person_one

bagginslover wrote: »

We don't no, but he has a step-neice who is 8, and a 'proper' neice who is 7 months, why?

I'm wondering if he might understand better if you compare the dog's understanding of consequences to a young baby's, if he's been around them.

cheeswright

isnt it quite good that the dog pood in his own bed ?
if he had to go.....he went in the only place in the house that is his
not on anything of yours......
this is a sign of respect / being the lowest pack animal in the house - the only way to be lower
would have been to eat it - and if they're really low down / ashamed they will
so ?
what would your husband have preffered ?

bagginslover

Person_one wrote: »

I'm wondering if he might understand better if you compare the dog's understanding of consequences to a young baby's, if he's been around them.

Have tried that tack when the dog has done 'wrong' in the past and OH has said 'he should know not to do it' when its the first time he has done said bad deed. Like this time he has understood afterwards when I have explained it, but went off the deepend in the moment. Its the 'in the moment' reaction I need him to realise isn't going to help, and so change.

cheeswright wrote: »

isnt it quite good that the dog pood in his own bed ?
if he had to go.....he went in the only place in the house that is his
not on anything of yours......
this is a sign of respect / being the lowest pack animal in the house - the only way to be lower
would have been to eat it - and if they're really low down / ashamed they will
so ?
what would your husband have preffered ?

Its good and it isn't I suppose. On his bed is 100's of times better than the sofas he also had access to, on the floor would have been better, but I wouldn't expect him to know that-hes a dog As a previous poster said, accidents happen, and he must have been really desperate to go in his bed, as most dogs won't foul their sleeping areas. I was pleased when OH told be that the dog didn't look ashamed of himself at all, he used to cower when he thought he'd done something wrong (which was usually something right!) so we are obviously rehabillitating him quite well desipte OH's tantrums :T I'd hate it if the dog thought he had to eat it again! He knows his place in the family, but wow, that must be horrible for dogs that feel that low .

I think he'd prefer he didn't do it at all, where ever he'd done it would have been wrong. I would prefer that as well of course, the difference being I realised straight away it wasn't the dogs fault