Red diesel in Edinburgh area please.

andycanman

Hi...I have a boat that runs on red diesel and wondered if any one knows of any red diesel suppliers in the Edinburgh area where i can get it from the pumps once i have of course registered my details with them as the marina wants the same price for red diesel as the garages charge for white diesel..:rotfl:..many thanks.

welda

Do you not have to seek exemption from the VAT man to use red diesel, for example, your boat is a registered fishing boat, if for leisure use, you are now required to use the white stuff with duty paid? I assume leisure use, hence the reason marina charge same for red and white for leisure use. They have to comply, unfortunately.

bobhawke

Try this lot, I buy red diesel for my generator from them.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/place?hl=en&prmd=ivns&prmdo=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1440&bih=774&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=red+diesel+edinburgh&fb=1&gl=uk&hq=red+diesel&hnear=0x4887b800a5982623:0x64f2147b7ce71727,Edinburgh,+City+of+Edinburgh&cid=6532800313779956190

andycanman

Ok many thanks will try them and see what they say.

andycanman

welda wrote: »

Do you not have to seek exemption from the VAT man to use red diesel, for example, your boat is a registered fishing boat, if for leisure use, you are now required to use the white stuff with duty paid? I assume leisure use, hence the reason marina charge same for red and white for leisure use. They have to comply, unfortunately.

Yes you could be right ..i have just got the boat and will speak to the mariana and make sure i know whats what ..thanks.

bobhawke

welda wrote: »

Do you not have to seek exemption from the VAT man to use red diesel, for example, your boat is a registered fishing boat, if for leisure use, you are now required to use the white stuff with duty paid? I assume leisure use, hence the reason marina charge same for red and white for leisure use. They have to comply, unfortunately.

Probably easier for them to calculate. Checked on google at came up with this, http://www.rboa.org.uk/diesel4:

From 1st November the long awaited, much feared, new regime for purchasing Red Diesel for use in privately owned pleasure craft is upon us.
So perhaps this is the moment to set out exactly what that means for the average boater. You need diesel; you go to your friendly Registered Dealer in Controlled Oils (RDCO) and say “fill her up” or “x litres please.” At this point, or at the end of the pumping operation the RDCO will say “How much of this fuel is for propulsion and how much for domestic purposes?” Domestic purposes is everything other than propulsion i.e. heat, light, cooking, battery charging and generating electricity. This figure is going to be specific to the boat- it will depend on the level and type of equipment, how the boat is used and the facilities available where it is moored.
The purchaser of the fuel will sign a declaration, which the RDCO must keep, giving their name and identifying the vessel, and which will confirm that the purchaser has purchased “y” litres of fuel for propulsion, on which he must pay duty. It is the responsibility of the purchaser to sign the declaration and to tell the truth. There is no responsibility placed on the RDCOs to satisfy themselves that the purchaser is making an accurate declaration.
The Revenue and Customs Brief (Reference 49/08 issued on 6th October 2008) recognises the status of residential boat owners with the following statement-
If you live aboard the craft permanently and hold certain documentation, such as Houseboat Licence, Residential Mooring Licence, Council Tax bill in respect of the mooring, or other documentation, such as invoices or bills which provides proof of permanent residency, you may purchase all your fuel at the rebated rate (as if you owned a commercial vessel)
Continuous cruisers, or those who do not hold the correct documentation, may not declare 0% under these arrangements. They must declare the actual intended usage for propulsion. The research carried out by the Residential Boat Owners’ Association (RBOA) for the initial consultation may assist residential boaters. It found on average an RBOA member used 40% of their fuel for propulsion. The RBOA suggests all boaters keep a simple daily log which records their purchases of diesel, notes the engine running hours and what the vessel was doing whilst the engine was running. For example-
DATE ENGINE RUNNING TIME DETAILS
20.10.08 5 hrs Propulsion (Travel from A to & battery charging/washing machine use
21.10.08 3 hrs Battery charging only
Why keep a log? HMRC have the powers to ask individual boaters to justify their declarations. This will be a much easier task if basic information such as suggested is kept to support any challenge from HMRC.
Finally, whilst this may well strike some as being a pain and even an intrusion, it is a much better outcome than we were initially faced with. Had it not been for the very strident arguments of the RBOA and The Barge Association, who jointly had several meetings with HMRC, all boaters would be paying duty on 60% or even 70% of the fuel used irrespective of their usage.

welda

andycanman wrote: »

Yes you could be right ..i have just got the boat and will speak to the mariana and make sure i know whats what ..thanks.

Mate of mine is converting an old trawler for leisure purposes, he has managed to work it to keep commercial basis, no idea how he did it?

I've owned a couple of rhibs before (petrol outboards) so I understand the pleasure out on the open sea.

Government is never finished milking us, be axing us on air we breathe in our leisure time

Moored at edgar are you?

Regards.