Agency Government Legislation 1st October

Saint_Skins

Hello,

regarding the new Government legislation due 1st October 2011. If you don't know about this topic, then i suggest you research the subject.

Search the Legislation at personeltoday. c o m

I am posting my opinion on the matter and how i think it will change things for us Agency workers.

This is not going to help temp workers in the slightest.

I have worked for my agency for 4.5 years after being made redundant, i have not been distributed to work in random depots, i have been working at the same depot for the hirer the whole duration. In fact, i have built a lot of respect there as i have vast amounts of experience, work and trained in all aspects of the depot and excel most of the full time staff there. I have asked for a full time job there, i have proven myself over and over, i am the longest serving agency worker there and i have also been recommended by Shift leaders to be recruited. Will it happen before October the 1st? no, will it happen after? no, why? Because there is always a loophole For instance, my agency are talking about making us full-time staff with 'them' not the hirer, so therefore they can contract us to take a wage cut altogether, in fact they can add whatever the hell they want to the contract. We will be no better off, if not worse. What the legislation should have included was a clause to automatically take people on as full-time staff if they have served as a temp in the same depot for a certain duration of time, IE 24 months+ not start from day one giving the agency and the hirer the ways and means to cut us off short leaving us in a situation worse than before, totally unacceptable. This was supposed to protect us, the economy and give us a solution to full-time employment.

To add salt to the wound, my agency has been fiddling us to no end, taking holidays, tax donations and bonuses away from us, can we do anything about it? no, why? because the hirer may be inclined to cease our contract with them altogether leaving us unemployed. I have had approximately 10 days holiday taken from me unaccounted for, i protested this with every single payslip since i started there, i was told to drop the subject for my own good (dismissal).

So thanks Coalition Party, you have royally screwed us over here big time...

GavB79

You mean personneltoday.com

anamenottaken

Couple of points:

Saint_Skins wrote: »

Hello,

regarding the new Government legislation due 1st October 2011. If you don't know about this topic, then i suggest you research the subject.

Search the Legislation at personeltoday. c o m

I am posting my opinion on the matter and how i think it will change things for us Agency workers.

This is not going to help temp workers in the slightest.

I have worked for my agency for 4.5 years after being made redundant, i have not been distributed to work in random depots, i have been working at the same depot for the hirer the whole duration. In fact, i have built a lot of respect there as i have vast amounts of experience, work and trained in all aspects of the depot and excel most of the full time staff there. I have asked for a full time job there, i have proven myself over and over, i am the longest serving agency worker there and i have also been recommended by Shift leaders to be recruited. Will it happen before October the 1st? no, will it happen after? no, why? Because there is always a loophole For instance, my agency are talking about making us full-time staff with 'them' not the hirer, so therefore they can contract us to take a wage cut altogether, in fact they can add whatever the hell they want to the contract. The agency can't beat the law by saying temporary workers are their employees. It is about their supplying of staff to a client. So you would still be covered and due to receive equal pay as a permanent employee after Christmas. We will be no better off, if not worse. What the legislation should have included was a clause to automatically take people on as full-time staff if they have served as a temp in the same depot for a certain duration of time, IE 24 months+ not start from day one giving the agency and the hirer the ways and means to cut us off short leaving us in a situation worse than before, totally unacceptable. This was supposed to protect us, the economy and give us a solution to full-time employment.

To add salt to the wound, my agency has been fiddling us to no end, taking holidays, tax donations and bonuses away from us, can we do anything about it? no, why? because the hirer may be inclined to cease our contract with them altogether leaving us unemployed. I have had approximately 10 days holiday taken from me unaccounted for, i protested this with every single payslip since i started there, i was told to drop the subject for my own good (dismissal).

So thanks Coalition Party, you have royally screwed us over here big time.. Not their responsibility - it's been coming for some time..

GlynD

Not half as much as you were screwed by the last administration if you care to read SI3319 to the 1976 Employment Agencies Act.

Hammyman

Saint_Skins wrote: »

I am posting my opinion on the matter and how i think it will change things for us Agency workers.

This is not going to help temp workers in the slightest.

I can only assume that you have either not read it or not understood what it meant. It is helping temp workers tremendously. Every single possible loophole I could think of has been addressed.

If you choose to work for an agency that doesn't comply with the law and not do anything about it then thats your tough luck.

dark_lady

Hammyman wrote: »

I can only assume that you have either not read it or not understood what it meant. It is helping temp workers tremendously. Every single possible loophole I could think of has been addressed.

If you choose to work for an agency that doesn't comply with the law and not do anything about it then thats your tough luck.

Maybe the OP had no other choice as it was the only job being offered to them.

Maybe the OP hasnt got a partner who works all the hours God sends like yours did for you when you were ill.

Very easy to make comments like the one you did when you are in the favourable position of having a partner who works full time and more if you cant.

Be careful you dont fall off that high horse of yours or your wife will be having to increase her hours even more!

LittleVoice

dark_lady wrote: »

Maybe the OP had no other choice as it was the only job being offered to them.

Maybe the OP hasnt got a partner who works all the hours God sends like yours did for you when you were ill.

Very easy to make comments like the one you did when you are in the favourable position of having a partner who works full time and more if you cant.

Be careful you dont fall off that high horse of yours or your wife will be having to increase her hours even more!

Whatever are you writing about? What has the work of partners got to do with this? Where does illness enter the story?

scheming_gypsy

Saint_Skins wrote: »

What the legislation should have included was a clause to automatically take people on as full-time staff if they have served as a temp in the same depot for a certain duration of time, IE 24 months+ not start from day one giving the agency and the hirer the ways and means to cut us off short leaving us in a situation worse than before, totally unacceptable. This was supposed to protect us, the economy and give us a solution to full-time employment.

To add salt to the wound, my agency has been fiddling us to no end, taking holidays, tax donations and bonuses away from us, can we do anything about it? no, why? because the hirer may be inclined to cease our contract with them altogether leaving us unemployed. I have had approximately 10 days holiday taken from me unaccounted for, i protested this with every single payslip since i started there, i was told to drop the subject for my own good (dismissal).

So thanks Coalition Party, you have royally screwed us over here big time...

Well done Inspector Gadget, you just answered your own complaint in another one. If the company had to take you on as full time staff after 24 months then they'll end your contract before they have to take you on.
As soon as you go from being temporary staff they have to pay the agency x% of your yearly salary as well as being liable to pay your employers NI, holiday pay and sick pay etc..... so why would they want to take people on?

dmliverpool

Saint_Skins wrote: »

Hello,

regarding the new Government legislation due 1st October 2011. If you don't know about this topic, then i suggest you research the subject.

Search the Legislation at personeltoday. c o m

I am posting my opinion on the matter and how i think it will change things for us Agency workers.

This is not going to help temp workers in the slightest.

I have worked for my agency for 4.5 years after being made redundant, i have not been distributed to work in random depots, i have been working at the same depot for the hirer the whole duration. In fact, i have built a lot of respect there as i have vast amounts of experience, work and trained in all aspects of the depot and excel most of the full time staff there. I have asked for a full time job there, i have proven myself over and over, i am the longest serving agency worker there and i have also been recommended by Shift leaders to be recruited. Will it happen before October the 1st? no, will it happen after? no, why? Because there is always a loophole For instance, my agency are talking about making us full-time staff with 'them' not the hirer, so therefore they can contract us to take a wage cut altogether, in fact they can add whatever the hell they want to the contract. We will be no better off, if not worse. What the legislation should have included was a clause to automatically take people on as full-time staff if they have served as a temp in the same depot for a certain duration of time, IE 24 months+ not start from day one giving the agency and the hirer the ways and means to cut us off short leaving us in a situation worse than before, totally unacceptable. This was supposed to protect us, the economy and give us a solution to full-time employment.

To add salt to the wound, my agency has been fiddling us to no end, taking holidays, tax donations and bonuses away from us, can we do anything about it? no, why? because the hirer may be inclined to cease our contract with them altogether leaving us unemployed. I have had approximately 10 days holiday taken from me unaccounted for, i protested this with every single payslip since i started there, i was told to drop the subject for my own good (dismissal).

So thanks Coalition Party, you have royally screwed us over here big time...

The new rules will stop exploitation such as your case where you have worked somewhere for years and the contracted company you are working in isn't going to show there cards and give you a permanent job. I speak to employers everyday and they confirm my point as many these days say that they hire people in a permanently required role for a number of weeks then get rid of them when the spark in the eyes of such work horses has gone then they get a new one a bit like a knackers yard. What's worse is the over inflated egos of the recruitment consultants that are making money out of this mess at last a government that challenges this in the hope as it always is with government policy that people actually get a real job directly. I don't however totally discount short term project related temps.

dmliverpool

Again it stops this knacker yard type joke of an employment system. When the first employer told me this we both laughed LOL :rotfl:

I can bet money that if the person who posted this asks for a job from the contracted company, she will last about 2 days. In which those remaining days will be hell and they will take the obsolute mick. Then off you go, to make matters worse you will only get a reference with dates and no reference to the actual work you did for 4 years. If this type of person came to a recruitment process with me in it I wouldn't hire them as they to me have shown a distinct lack of business balls and initiative to get a real job. :cool:

LittleVoice

scheming_gypsy wrote: »

As soon as you go from being temporary staff they have to pay the agency x% of your yearly salary as well as being liable to pay your employers NI, holiday pay and sick pay etc..... so why would they want to take people on?

If someone has been temping with a client for months, they probably won't have to pay much or any introduction fee.

And surely you don't think employers NI, holiday and SSP etc is not included in the fees an agency charges for a temp worker. Did you think the difference between the worker's hourly rate and the rate charged by the agency was pure profit?