UK Tax when your living overseas

Cook_County

Randvegeta wrote: »

I do not evade taxes. By what definition am I evading taxes? I would hardly consider myself tax resident as of yet as I have not spent more than 6 months in this country.

Not everyone has difficulty grasping this simple concept. Perhaps you should see a doctor who specializes in learning disabilities. Imbecile!

The OP did not say s/he was unemployed. And under what possible reason could HMRC consider someone who spends 0 days in a tax year tax resident? If you are referring to UK derived income, I believe I have already covered that in my post.

Are you honestly suggesting that someone can live abroad, earn money abroad (not necessarily through employment) and still be classed a UK resident for tax purposes? This is sounding more and more like the horrible situation most American ex-pats face.

And to clarify once again, I am not a tax evader. But you, Cook County, are a moron, as is evident by your baseless slander.

What I am, is a tax AVOIDER. Very different!

I aassume that you have never read the tax case known as Reed v Clark which relates to the point that you are making. It mght help if you studied case law as against making assertions that have no basis in either law or practice.

BoGoF

As Cook County has pointed out there is more to residence than day counting. I suggest you read the case he has quoted.

Randvegeta

Cook_County wrote: »

I aassume that you have never read the tax case known as Reed v Clark which relates to the point that you are making. It mght help if you studied case law as against making assertions that have no basis in either law or practice.

I believe that case is mostly related to the being ordinarily resident abroad or not.

Given the OP has lived there for a year, and intends on being their for the foreseeable future, I would hardly consider him a UK resident.

In any case, the OP has not specified the following:

- If s/he has obtained residency in that foreign country for tax purposes.

- If s/he has significant interests in that country which would help qualify for overseas residency.

- If s/he has employment out of the country.

I believe the whole point of 'Reed v Clark' is that their actions were taken with the intention of reducing their tax liability, and their sources of income remained in the UK.

From this thread, I do not gather the OP has much/any UK derived income. And were this the case, it would be taxable in the UK anyway.

If the OP is working abroad, then he would not be taxable in the UK.

By what definition do you consider the OP to have JUST 'occasional residence' abroad? If you do not have any answer for this, perhaps you should do look it up.

Just out of curiosity, in my previous post to the OP, have I suggested that the OP do anything unscrupulous in order to evade UK tax? I believe I suggested, if living in a low tax jurisdiction, to earn his money from non UK sources.

In what way is this tax evasion? In what way would it even be considered tax avoidance?

Jesus, some people are stupid aren't they?

antrobus

Randvegeta wrote: »

.... as is evident by your baseless slander.

It's actually libel. Whether or not it is 'baseless' is a matter for a court to decide.

Cook_County

Randvegeta wrote: »

Jesus, some people are stupid aren't they?

It is clear that education is not what it used to be and that the fine and ancient art of debate for some posters is simply debased into using a figure who is a religious icon for millions as an expletive. This is likely to be highly offensive to many readers.

I concur that Jesus is - in a physical sense - unlikly to be either resident or ordinarily resident in the UK under most readings of UK case law on residence as there is no evidence that he ever visited these countries during his lifetime. Some will doubtless disagree and suggest that Jesus is indeed resident here today or/and that he visited during his lifetime.

antrobus

Cook_County wrote: »

It is clear that education is not what it used to be and that the fine and ancient art of debate for some posters is simply debased into using a figure who is a religious icon for millions as an expletive. This is likely to be highly offensive to many readers.

I concur that Jesus is - in a physical sense - unlikly to be either resident or ordinarily resident in the UK under most readings of UK case law on residence as there is no evidence that he ever visited these countries during his lifetime. Some will doubtless disagree and suggest that Jesus is indeed resident here today or/and that he visited during his lifetime.

Well indeed there are those who would disagree and claim that Jesus did indeed visit Britain during his lifetime. Hence the words of the song;

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?

The trouble is, even if Jesus had (as legend has it) visited Glastonbury during his youth, it would not have been at that time 'England' and it could not be argued that this made him liable for any form of UK taxation on the grounds that the UK did not exist at the time, and one cannot be legally resident for a tax purposes in a jurisdiction that doesn't exist.

Randvegeta

This has turned into a very funny thread. I'm enjoying this very much. Glad to see everyone here has a sence of humour. Even the idiots.

And yes, libel would be correct, given it is written, and not spoken. Pardon my mistake.

lordbase

Back on topic here - ;-)

One thing that it is worth doing (if you haven't done so already) is fill in and send to your tax office a form p85 which informs them that you've left the UK.

You will still be subject to UK tax on any UK sourced income or gains, but remember as a UK citizen you are still entitled to a personal income tax allowance of £7,475 and rising and a CGT allowance of £10,600.

Depending on where you've ended up it might be worthwhile considering transferring your income sources into the local environment - for instance if you are in Cyprus and have pension income this is only taxed at 5%, but this would of course all depend on where you are and what your source of income is.