Do I have to work for free?

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liam92 wrote: »

Hi

In my contract, after the paragraph stating my remuneration, it's stated that I may be required to work alternative / additional hours in order to properly carry out my duties.
Any views??

I think you answered your question here? Most contract have a similar "clause" in them. I would expect the same on your new contract in your chosen career.

Hootie19

liam92 wrote: »

No thanks, I'm not aiming for a 'clock-on and clock-off career,' I'm aiming to become a barrister and hence be salaried and work as cases require.

liam92 wrote: »

I have therefore been there 3 years and 6 months, which I usually round up to 4 years.

And when you are a barrister, is this how you intend to handle your billing? Work for three and a half hours on a client's case and round the charge fees up to four hours!?

On the subject of starting and finishing work, you might like to read this thread. There were some very interesting responses.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/3347082

DVardysShadow

SarEl wrote: »

... Oh, by the way young man - if and when you become a barrister - I am wildly guessing that if and when this happens you have no intention of going into anything so common as employment law (unless it is on the side of employers)? But I do have to say that you will be deeply disappointed by the working hours. If you balk at 15 minutes unpaid to prepare, you will never survive the interviews, never mind pupillage.

Perhaps you was trolled.

SarEl

DVardysShadow wrote: »

Perhaps you was trolled.

I did wonder about it - but who knows? Doesn't really matter, it's still true.

lazer

For those saying that you should work a reasonable amount of unpaid overtime as long as it doesn't take you below the NMW, what about teh following scenario

2 people working in shop - one on NMW, the other a manager on NMW plus 50p an hour

For ease of calcualation - lets say NMW is £6 an hour

Therefore the shop assistant gets £48 a day for an 8 hour day
The Manager gets £52 for an 8 hour day.

So therefore if the manager arrives 20mins early to open up and leaves 20 mins late after cashing up etc, that would mean they are working 8.66 hours a day, which would give an hourly wage of £6 an hour - the same as the shop assistant who has less responsibilty etc.

Do you consider that fair?

IMO if a job pays an hourly rate that is the rate you should be paid, as your hourly rate reflects the responsibilties of the job etc. If you are paid a salary unpaid overtime is different and is expected when the occassion arises, but that occassion shouldn't be everyday, it should be busy times only.

SarEl

Pretty sure that nobody actually said it was fair - it's just a fact.

SueC_2

lazer wrote: »

For those saying that you should work a reasonable amount of unpaid overtime as long as it doesn't take you below the NMW, what about teh following scenario

2 people working in shop - one on NMW, the other a manager on NMW plus 50p an hour

For ease of calcualation - lets say NMW is £6 an hour

Therefore the shop assistant gets £48 a day for an 8 hour day
The Manager gets £52 for an 8 hour day.

So therefore if the manager arrives 20mins early to open up and leaves 20 mins late after cashing up etc, that would mean they are working 8.66 hours a day, which would give an hourly wage of £6 an hour - the same as the shop assistant who has less responsibilty etc.

Do you consider that fair?

IMO if a job pays an hourly rate that is the rate you should be paid, as your hourly rate reflects the responsibilties of the job etc. If you are paid a salary unpaid overtime is different and is expected when the occassion arises, but that occassion shouldn't be everyday, it should be busy times only.

Most senior managers / professionals wouldn't dream of calculating their hourly rate. Quite possibly because they'd then be faced with having to discipline themselves for paying themselves beneath the the NMW.

DUTR

liam92 wrote: »

Lol, no...I'm staunchly anti-TU and am grateful to Mrs Thatcher for breaking them up in the 80s!

I'm much more in favour of 'rocking the boat' on a small-scale without the bureacracy of TUs and the need to involve useless 'fat-cat' union bosses, such as Bob Crow.

IMO, unions were a great asset to a large number of employees when working conditions were truly appauling and wages did little to appease poverty (such as Victorian Times.) However in recent years, as working safety conditions are now regulated and the NMW exists, many unions' sole ambitions have been to push wages up above their equilibrium, and hence by the laws of labour economics, cause a rise in unemployment!

I think the unions would have argued the case for the extra hours preparation time.

closed

How many 19 year old's (rounded up) have heard of Kiki Dee?

antrobus

closed wrote: »

How many 19 year old's (rounded up) have heard of Kiki Dee?

I've heard of Kiki Dee. In fact, I remember Kiki Dee. But then again, I'm not 19. I wish I was, but I'm not. QED I suppose.