Teaching routes

stephyt23

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

NB. The OU is a university!

Your final edit is rather misleading as you're actually only talking about a BEd. Many people go into primary education with a degree in a subject and then train to teach bt doing a PGCE or GTP afterwards.

Thank you I DO no the OU is a university, but I don't know how their course runs compared a Uni where you actually attend regularly.

As for my edit i was NOT only referring to BEd, BA degrees are the same. Yes for secondary you just need a degree in the subject you wish to teach then do a PGCE or GTP, and YES I do know some Primary teachers also take these routes. I was assuming they would be doing a BEd or BA so therefore what I've said would be relevant and either way it's still best to get some experience

Gleeful

I don't think now is the time to be going into teaching. The government is training more than the country needs, especially at Primary level.

The kids are feral, pressures are high and funding in schools is being squeezed!

smileylondongal

Gleeful wrote: »

I don't think now is the time to be going into teaching. The government is training more than the country needs, especially at Primary level.

The kids are feral, pressures are high and funding in schools is being squeezed!

I think this is a very personal opinion as I completely disagree. Yes, funding is being squeezed but welcome to the public sector! I think if you enter teaching, whatever level it may be at, you should be passionate about what you do, and expect that it won't be an easy ride. Pressures will come from all ends of the spectrum but not all the kids are 'feral' and those that might be construed as such actually just need a little bit of self belief and someone who doesn't think they're feral to give them support.

If you can do all of this, then you'll make a great teacher!

Gleeful

smileylondongal wrote: »

I think this is a very personal opinion as I completely disagree. Yes, funding is being squeezed but welcome to the public sector! I think if you enter teaching, whatever level it may be at, you should be passionate about what you do, and expect that it won't be an easy ride. Pressures will come from all ends of the spectrum but not all the kids are 'feral' and those that might be construed as such actually just need a little bit of self belief and someone who doesn't think they're feral to give them support.

If you can do all of this, then you'll make a great teacher!

Are you a teacher? I'm just curious.

smileylondongal

Gleeful wrote: »

Are you a teacher? I'm just curious.

Not sure how that makes a difference but no, I'd be useless as one as I am self aware and recognise that I don't have the passion I need for it. BUT I did for recruitment and spent a few years recruiting teachers and seeing the benefit to both the individuals, their schools and their pupils. I also have two very close friends who are in teaching, in some very tough schools, might I add - one in Primary, another in Seconday.

Gleeful

smileylondongal wrote: »

Not sure how that makes a difference but no, I'd be useless as one as I am self aware and recognise that I don't have the passion I need for it. BUT I did for recruitment and spent a few years recruiting teachers and seeing the benefit to both the individuals, their schools and their pupils. I also have two very close friends who are in teaching, in some very tough schools, might I add - one in Primary, another in Seconday.

I thought not, you have a very romantic view of teaching. I didn't think you'd been on the battlefield yourself!

smileylondongal

And you have?? I'd love to know.

I don't have a romantic view of teaching, I have actually undertaken work experience in schools, mentored in schools, and as I say, know people in some very tough schools so I get to hear everything that occurs in daily life and I honestly doubt if everyone felt the same way you did, that we'd have anyone entering education. Thankfully, there are people who passionately believe in the education of young people who are sufficiently resilient to take this role on and I'm very appreciative of it; we would otherwise have no system at all.

On an aside, I do find it absurd that you clearly don't think I can comment when I've not done the role. I can comment given my experience mentioned above, plus I used to be one of those 'feral' children, as you so eloquently put it, coming from a very difficult background, and if someone hadn't believed in me I wouldn't be where I am today. That's the reality, not romanticism!

shegirl

stephyt23 wrote: »

Thank you I DO no the OU is a university, but I don't know how their course runs compared a Uni where you actually attend regularly.

As for my edit i was NOT only referring to BEd, BA degrees are the same. Yes for secondary you just need a degree in the subject you wish to teach then do a PGCE or GTP, and YES I do know some Primary teachers also take these routes. I was assuming they would be doing a BEd or BA so therefore what I've said would be relevant and either way it's still best to get some experience

Oldernotwiser was right in how your post sounded I'm afraid: 'any degree requires you to have experience at both key stages'...

Experience need not be while you are doing a degree if it is not BEd and can come at any time.Infact,I have a friend who is graduating next week (BSc..oh yeah,don't forget there aren't just two types of undergrad degree!!!) and has started work experience in schools over the past couple of weeks as he is now aiming to go into teaching.Another friend didn't have any experience at all.So it not essential for all degrees,not while you are doing them.But it would be helpful.

Gleeful

smileylondongal wrote: »

And you have?? I'd love to know.

I don't have a romantic view of teaching, I have actually undertaken work experience in schools, mentored in schools, and as I say, know people in some very tough schools so I get to hear everything that occurs in daily life and I honestly doubt if everyone felt the same way you did, that we'd have anyone entering education. Thankfully, there are people who passionately believe in the education of young people who are sufficiently resilient to take this role on and I'm very appreciative of it; we would otherwise have no system at all.

On an aside, I do find it absurd that you clearly don't think I can comment when I've not done the role. I can comment given my experience mentioned above, plus I used to be one of those 'feral' children, as you so eloquently put it, coming from a very difficult background, and if someone hadn't believed in me I wouldn't be where I am today. That's the reality, not romanticism!

Yep, I've been on the battlefield, but that tale is not for a public forum.

I do find your words and enthusiasm encouraging, for I know many people have had a wonderful experience, both attending and working in wonderful schools. I myself have seen 'the way it should be,' but unfortunately, it is not always like that.

My original post was concerned with trying to get the OP and anyone else interested in teaching to understand that with the changes going on in the education system, challenging pupils and stretched school budgets, it's not always rosy in the world of teaching.

smileylondongal

I agree with you, and my post was trying to tell anyone interested in teaching that they should be passionate and resilient for it to be truly rewarding for them and for their young people. If someone has a real interest in teaching, I think they should go for it and I guess I didn't want anyone being put off by your post and to show the other side to it. Ultimately, I think we may have been talking at cross purposes!