Employment law - rights when you don't have a child / secret childcare payments

SueC_2

bizzisguy wrote: »

Thanks,

You're obviously a parent then, which, and I am presuming from the facetious nature of your post, is why you feel that people with children deserve far more than people who choose not to have children and clearly you don't see anything wrong with the fact that people on pretty crap paid jobs are being penalised over those of their colleagues who would drop a sprog just to get a bit of extra cash.

Again, explain to me why someone that has a child should be paid more for the same job as someone who doesn't (without going in to all the rubbish about life not being fair).

If I were white and getting paid more than a 'non white' person, then that would be discrimination, so why is it OK just because you have a child ?, you wanted a child, you should live with the consequences and extra expenses a child brings, you should not expect those who don't have children to pay for your child to be brought up.

No, actually, I'm not a parent. I just happen to think it is far more positive/healthy to think about the benefits that my situation brings rather than to get all bent out of shape about the ones it doesn't.

When I am old and senile, I won't be able to rely on my children to choose a decent care home for me and ensure that I'm not strapped to my bed or starved. On the flip side, in the meantime I will be able to live an independent life and not have to take my children into permanent consideration - a lot of the time sacrificing my own needs for theirs.

There is an old saying about granting us the serenity to accept the things that we cannot change, the strength to change the things we can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

The fact is: there are positives and negatives to both being a parent and to not being a parent. That will never change. Accept it and move on.

hartcjhart

bizzisguy wrote: »

hahaha, what a bunch of muppets you all really are, you have your blinkered little lives and if anyone dares to disagree with you, then they a) don't have a life, b)need to get over themselves.

What a seriously unfriendly little bunch of people you all are, no doubt politically correct and if this was a black / white thing would all be up in arms..

I came on here to ask for advice, not for your own littll moronic opinions, !!!! you all for being so unfriendly

well this from a 'muppet' with no children
grow up and get a life,you are sounding like a spoilt brat,just because you are not getting a little extra,
personally I think your boss is obviously a nice person who understands how hard it is for people with children

maninthestreet

The only concern here is whether these payments are declared to HMRC.

fluffy70

I think that if you looked into this officially you would find that this 'secret' payment is most probably the childcare vouchers/ salary sacrifice scheme.

Jealousy is a very ugly thing

hartcjhart

fluffy70 wrote: »

I think that if you looked into this officially you would find that this 'secret' payment is most probably the childcare vouchers/ salary sacrifice scheme.

Jealousy is a very ugly thing

OP must be a right minger then:rotfl:

Pete111

fluffy70 wrote: »

I think that if you looked into this officially you would find that this 'secret' payment is most probably the childcare vouchers/ salary sacrifice scheme.

Jealousy is a very ugly thing

You may well be right

Either way, I would love to be a fly on the wall when the OP takes this 'case' to an employment lawyer...

(and I hope they charge for the consultation)

ILW

Only certain types of disrimination are not allowed, eg race, gender etc.

[Deleted User]

There's a very well known, large camera shop in New York that gives it's employees a payrise when they have a child.

Anyway.. get your facts straight or you might get egg on your face

Emmzi

actually as more people with childcare issues are women than men, this may be *indirect* gender discrimination

but
a) I doubt OP has funds for a lawyer and
b) where is the proof if it is secret and
c) I also think it is a childcare voucher scheme which is quite legal

Pete111

Emmzi wrote: »

actually as more people with childcare issues are women than men, this may be *indirect* gender discrimination

but
a) I doubt OP has funds for a lawyer and
b) where is the proof if it is secret and
c) I also think it is a childcare voucher scheme which is quite legal

Agree with a) through c) but as regards the premise, it sounds as though the 25% (if not in fact ccv's) is open to men with children in childcare too. I know if we are talking about pure ratios there is arguably a greater chance it would benefit a female employee but we are getting a bit oblique maybe? Lots and lots of working couples with kids these days!

Perhaps indirect (indirect) discrimination at best?