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Net Migration Rises to 6 year high....
HAMISH_MCTAVISH
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Hate to say I told you so, but..... Yep, I told you so.
Still, Cameron's pledge to reduce migration must be more than a meaningless soundbite, right?
Ooops.
Never mind though, those Eastern Europeans will all be heading home, what with the cuts, and unemployment soaring, etc.
After all, the bears on here have been promising that since 2007....
Oh dear.
But that's OK, it just means more Brits will be leaving. Us Brits must be heading overseas in droves, fleeing high property prices and recession.
Or something.
D'oh....
Better build some more houses quick then.;)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8538318/Net-immigration-hits-six-year-high-in-blow-to-Coalition.html
Last year some 242,000 more people moved to the UK than left, after numbers leapt by around 45 per cent in just a year.
Still, Cameron's pledge to reduce migration must be more than a meaningless soundbite, right?
David Cameron has pledged to cut net immigration to the “tens of thousands” but the latest official figures show an upward trend in continuing instead.
Ooops.
Never mind though, those Eastern Europeans will all be heading home, what with the cuts, and unemployment soaring, etc.
After all, the bears on here have been promising that since 2007....
the rise has been partly driven by a sharp increase in the number of Eastern Europeans returning to the UK to look for work – a trend the Government’s recently imposed immigration cap cannot alter.
Oh dear.
But that's OK, it just means more Brits will be leaving. Us Brits must be heading overseas in droves, fleeing high property prices and recession.
Or something.
It has also been driven up by a 20 per cent fall in people emigrating, amid reports that many are put off by a rising cost of living abroad.
D'oh....
Better build some more houses quick then.;)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8538318/Net-immigration-hits-six-year-high-in-blow-to-Coalition.html
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Still, Cameron's pledge to reduce migration must be more than a meaningless soundbite, right?
Forgettng the rest for a minute....it was only last month that measures were actually put into place, after problems around christmas time.
On top of that, these figures are from last year I believe, as the article states up to September 2010. So any cap even implemented in say January, would have had no affect on these figures.0 -
Do you have that stat that shows how many are expats returning?
(I know you have all stats
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Do you have that stat that shows how many are expats returning?
(I know you have all stats )
Nope.
I resigned as forum stat geek.:D“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Do you have that stat that shows how many are expats returning?
(I know you have all stats )
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/mig0511.pdf
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Procrastinator333 wrote: »
You are the new forum stat geek.
So if I'm reading it right, the trend of people coming back has reversed?
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You are the new forum stat geek.
So if I'm reading it right, the trend of people coming back has reversed?
bendix's fault.
It depends how you read the data and timeframe. Stats can be made to say whatever you like.
Last 4 years, the number returning has been pretty consistent between 70 and 80k. The bigger shift is in the numbers leaving. Between 02 and 09 there were between 150k and 200k leaving per year. Between 09 and now that has dropped down to more like 125k. So the net number leaving has dropped. Doesn't really look like that has changed in the last 6 months in my opinion.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Hate to say I told you so, but..... Yep, I told you so.
Better build some more houses quick then.
Despite the claims of last government, the vast majority of immigrants that I come across are doing low skilled jobs on minimum wage. However they do have access to social payments, free medical care and free schooling for their children. This is the real reason why the UK has such high immigration. Whilst this charity might be praiseworthy, it weakens the economy and stores up serious social problems for the future.
The link you make between population and house prices is naieve. House prices are driven by wealth and access to credit. A house costing £70k, can never sell to someone on minimum wage even if there are a million people in the queue.0 -
. House prices are driven by wealth and access to credit. A house costing £70k, can never sell to someone on minimum wage even if there are a million people in the queue.
True.
But a house for 70K can sell to a couple on minimum wage working 45 hour weeks.
And it'll most certainly sell to a slumlord who then rents it to 4 immigrants on minimum wage.
When you don't build enough houses for a rising population, it becomes a mathematical certainty that more people must live in each house.
More people per house = more income per house, whether that income be work or benefits.
More income per house = higher rents whilst maintaining the same percentage of income allocated to housing costs.
Higher rents = higher yields = higher asset prices.
It really is simple enough for even a monkey to understand.;)“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
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It astonishes me as to just how you are willing to see people live for your own assets to rise Hamish.
Can you never think about the social aspect of such a situation? It's living standards going backwards, not forwards.
Then again, not for you, which I guess if your main concern.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »When you don't build enough houses for a rising population, it becomes a mathematical certainty that more people must live in each house.
Not each house. Per house on average.HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »More people per house = more income per house, whether that income be work or benefits.
More people per house doesn't always equate with more income.
There are exceptions.0
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