Private sector job growth slowing

ninky_2

chewmylegoff wrote: »

well it is directly relevant to the point that all politicians blame someone else, usually the previous government. labour were masters at it. if you want to pretend they didn't do it every day, that is fine by me.

why do you keep making opinions up for me and not answering the question? are you actually a politician?

Malcolm.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

No Government policy can influence export markets.

Politicians often travel abroad to agree trade deals, and place trade embargoes on countries.

Most things in life can be influenced.

Malcolm.

chewmylegoff wrote: »

well it is directly relevant to the point that all politicians blame someone else, usually the previous government. labour were masters at it. if you want to pretend they didn't do it every day, that is fine by me.

If voters didn't fall for it, politicians wouldn't do it. It seems, in many ways, politicians need to lie to get elected. Neil Kinnock made this mistake (although given he and family ended up with a cushy european number maybe it wasn't so much a mistake).

Some politicians don't blame others, unfortunately they're usually the non-elected/electable ones.

chewmylegoff

ninky wrote: »

why do you keep making opinions up for me and not answering the question? are you actually a politician?

touche...except, you answered the original question with two questions, then another question and now three more questions (whilst still not answering it), so by your own standards you must be a politician too.

and i did answer your question, if you look back, although i probably edited whilst you were responding.

ninky_2

chewmylegoff wrote: »

touche...except, you answered the original question with two questions, then another question and now three more questions (whilst still not answering it), so by your own standards you must be a politician too.

and i did answer your question, if you look back, although i probably edited whilst you were responding.

what was the original question? did the tories cause the deficit? if so i answered that too....and not by re-editing a previous post.

chewmylegoff

Malcolm. wrote: »

If voters didn't fall for it, politicians wouldn't do it. It seems, in many ways, politicians need to lie to get elected. Neil Kinnock made this mistake (although given he and family ended up with a cushy european number maybe it wasn't so much a mistake).

Some politicians don't blame others, unfortunately they're usually the non-elected/electable ones.

yes, i agree - we get what we deserve, i suppose. politicians are somewhat forced to behave like this in my view given the way the media act. if you know that anything you say is going to be scrutinised against an exhaustive list of other things you have previously said and then deliberately taken out of context to make you look like a prat, or to exploit some minor and irrelevant difference between how you worded it and how someone else wearing the same colour tie worded it, you are probably going to take the easy option of avoiding the question and blaming someone else.

chewmylegoff

ninky wrote: »

what was the original question? did the tories cause the deficit? if so i answered that too....and not by re-editing a previous post.

come on, the time of my (solitary) edit was the same time as you posted your reply, it's not as if i have now gone back to edit it to make some petty point or other.

"do you seriously think that any government who had inherited such a situation would do anything other than constantly draw attention to it?"

was the question.

followed up with if the roles were reversed would the labour party be blaming the deficit on the tories, or highlighting their own failings?

shortchanged_2

chucky wrote: »

what was obvious to many?

I think the fact that the tories didn't win a landslide at the last election shows many people could see it coming.

ninky_2

chewmylegoff wrote: »

come on, the time of my (solitary) edit was the same time as you posted your reply, it's not as if i have now gone back to edit it to make some petty point or other.

"do you seriously think that any government who had inherited such a situation would do anything other than constantly draw attention to it?"

was the question.

followed up with if the roles were reversed would the labour party be blaming the deficit on the tories, or highlighting their own failings?

well i'm not sure labour would see the deficit as the be all and end all issue. this is the difference. for the tories they've wrapped up their whole policies with making this massive bogeyman of "the deficit". they've tried to convince the electorate that it's like a personal debt that must be paid off a quickly as possible or we risk going bankrupt.

having created the "bogeyman" deficit of course they now have to show some real inroads in reducing it otherwise they are going to look rather foolish since all their policies are aimed at deficit reduction through cuts.

labour didn't suggest they would slash the deficit in the same way. they wanted to allow continued economic growth before making significant cuts.

if the tories had been in power we wouldn't have been in exactly the same situation. probably the issues would have been the total deterioration of public services like the nhs, poor state schooling, costly tertiary education, high unemployment etc.

chewmylegoff

ninky wrote: »

well i'm not sure labour would see the deficit as the be all and end all issue. this is the difference. for the tories they've wrapped up their whole policies with making this massive bogeyman of "the deficit". they've tried to convince the electorate that it's like a personal debt that must be paid off a quickly as possible or we risk going bankrupt.

having created the "bogeyman" deficit of course they now have to show some real inroads in reducing it otherwise they are going to look rather foolish since all their policies are aimed at deficit reduction through cuts.

labour didn't suggest they would slash the deficit in the same way. they wanted to allow continued economic growth before making significant cuts.

if the tories had been in power we wouldn't have been in exactly the same situation. probably the issues would have been the total deterioration of public services like the nhs, poor state schooling, costly tertiary education, high unemployment etc.

ok, you're not going to answer the question. if you genuinely believe (which seems to be the case from the above) that labour wouldn't be blaming the tories left right and centre if the tables were turned then good luck to you. you must have been living on another planet between 1997-2010, a time during which the excuse "18 years of tory rule" must have been trotted out almost as much as the catchphrase "no return to [tory] boom and bust"

interesting that you don't think the result of 13 years of labour govt was poor state schooling, expensive tertiary education and high unemployment. it does lend credence to the theory that you were living on another planet between 1997-2010.