Windows doesn't "just work"

pendulum

23n1th wrote: »

I wasn't confused at all. I gave a likely scenario of what might have happened. Just like you.

That's the worst defence to misquoting someone I've ever read. You're just trying to take what I say and turn it around on me, but it doesn't work.

23n1th wrote: »

What makes you think that my friends are going to struggle? I thought since you were generalising I could as well.

Gee, I'm not sure why I thought your friends could struggle (notice: I didn't say they would) with an operating system change from Windows to Linux. Maybe the three years I spent studying Software Engineering taught me something about the likely downsides to switching from a system a user is happy and familiar with to one with which they are not.

Using knowledge and past experience of typical user behaviour, with some common sense thrown in, doesn't equate to mere "generalising", so once again your attempt to turn what I said around on me has failed, but thanks for the smile.

23n1th wrote: »

Anyway since I did the work for free I think any computer shop charging after the fact is a rip off, seeing as nothing needs done, I'm sure you'll agree.

You were so sure - but you were still wrong to think I'd agree with you. Bless.

Mr_Oink

pendulum wrote: »

pendulum
Today, 3:21 P....

See the kids are home from school then....... :rotfl:

23n1th

pendulum wrote: »

That's the worst defence to misquoting someone I've ever read. You're just trying to take what I say and turn it around on me, but it doesn't work.

I'm not defending anything.

I thought it worked nicely and I didn't misquote you at all. I quoted exactly what you wrote.

Gee, I'm not sure why I thought your friends could struggle (notice: I didn't say they would) with an operating system change from Windows to Linux. Maybe the three years I spent studying Software Engineering taught me something about the likely downsides to switching from a system a user is happy and familiar with to one with which they are not.

Another one preaching about how qualified they are :T. Good for you, here you go ---[Pat on Back]--- you can keep that!

I'm sure your 3 year course means your able to judge people you've never met before. Either way your point is moot seeing as I've not changed the operating system at all. Something I keep saying.

Using knowledge and past experience of typical user behaviour, with some common sense thrown in, doesn't equate to mere "generalising", so once again your attempt to turn what I said around on me has failed, but thanks for the smile.

If you re-read what you've just wrote (slowly if needed) you will see that you are in fact generalising, ie, tarring everyone with the same brush (the clue if you missed it is in the "typical user" bit). A generalisation based on your experience/knowledge is still a generalisation.

You were so sure - but you were still wrong to think I'd agree with you. Bless.

So its your opinion that a computer shop should charge for work not needed done????... ok... What are they teaching you on your course?:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

pendulum

Mr_Oink wrote: »

See the kids are home from school then....... :rotfl:

From someone that earlier called someone a 'n00b'...

23n1th wrote: »

I thought it worked nicely and I didn't misquote you at all.

A misquote means not quoting accurately. Quoting only part of a statement to give it a different meaning is still a misquote.

23n1th wrote: »

Another one preaching about how qualified they are :T. Good for you, here you go ---[Pat on Back]--- you can keep that!

You asked what made me think the way I did. I told you. I don't recall ever mentioning my academics before since joining this forum.

23n1th wrote: »

... Either way your point is moot seeing as I've not changed the operating system at all. Something I keep saying.

I never said you had. You said you were tempted to change it so I gave my opinion on that.

23n1th wrote: »

If you re-read what you've just wrote (slowly if needed) you will see that you are in fact generalising, ie, tarring everyone with the same brush

Show me where I tarred everyone with the same brush?

If you take 100 users and observe them using a new system in a controlled environment, and 80% struggle to do so, then it is fair to say that users will probably struggle to adapt to the new system if it's rolled out. I don't think that's a generalisation. If you say that "users will struggle to adapt to the new system", then that is clearly a generalisation because your putting everyone in the same group and saying they will struggle when some people won't.

I never said your friends would struggle, I always said they "probably" would, based on the fact that most people do. Hope that clears things up for you.

23n1th wrote: »

So its your opinion that a computer shop should charge for work not needed done????... ok... What are they teaching you on your course?:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

You come up with some stupid stuff don't you?

I was talking about them taking it to a computer shop instead of to you, not afterwards. If you hadn't done it, then the work would still need doing. Do you really need everything explaining? Don't you have enough common sense to actually work that out for yourself?

Welcome to my Ignore List - only the second person to ever be on it. Mr_Oink being the first! :rotfl:

And yep - that probably means you get the last word. Well done kid!

Mr_Oink

pendulum wrote: »

Welcome to my Ignore List - only the second person to ever be on it. Mr_Oink being the first! :rotfl:

And yep - that probably means you get the last word. Well done kid!

Ah the good ole' killfile - come - ignore list. The coveted final destination for Pendulum to run, hide and sob in now he's lost the argument and made himself look a male member :T

You've got to love these self professed experts - we have some here, but we call them something else, but they are usually paid less than people who *really* know what they are talking about.

Thank God he won't be seeing this and replying, I though he was going to go on like someone in the TA or Retained Fire Service for a moment.....

23n1th

pendulum wrote: »

A misquote means not quoting accurately. Quoting only part of a statement to give it a different meaning is still a misquote.

Again no misquote because I was only quoting the bits that may have offered Mr_Oink confusion (a suggestion); what I quoted was accurate.

You asked what made me think the way I did. I told you. I don't recall ever mentioning my academics before since joining this forum.

You told me and I pointed out the error of your thinking. And I never said you did mention your "academics" before, I said "another one", as in someone else.

I never said you had. You said you were tempted to change it so I gave my opinion on that.

Well you're certainly entitled to your opinion, I'd say you can keep it.

Show me where I tarred everyone with the same brush?

Re-read your posts. The ones where you're generalising.

If you take 100 users and observe them using a new system in a controlled environment, and 80% struggle to do so, then it is fair to say that users will probably struggle to adapt to the new system if it's rolled out. I don't think that's a generalisation.

Then you'd be wrong. Because you still assuming everyone will be the same as those 80% of users.

If you say that "users will struggle to adapt to the new system", then that is clearly a generalisation because your putting everyone in the same group and saying they will struggle when some people won't.

You are correct that is also a generalisation, well done.

I never said your friends would struggle, I always said they "probably" would, based on the fact that most people do. Hope that clears things up for you.

The "probably" bit would be the generalisation. The only way of knowing if they would struggle is if you saw them struggling.

You come up with some stupid stuff don't you?

I was talking about them taking it to a computer shop instead of to you, not afterwards. If you hadn't done it, then the work would still need doing. Do you really need everything explaining? Don't you have enough common sense to actually work that out for yourself?

Just because you like to assume and generalise about things doesn't mean that I do. But you wouldn't understand that would you.

Nowhere did you say "instead of" what you actually said, and what I was commenting on was this: In the end they'll probably take it to a computer shop to be "fixed properly" because their mate/family member had a go but couldn't do it

As you can see what you really meant was "as well as" not "instead". Am I to read what you wrote or try to guess what you meant???

Welcome to my Ignore List - only the second person to ever be on it. Mr_Oink being the first! :rotfl:

And yep - that probably means you get the last word. Well done kid!

As long as I don't have to put up with you inane ramblings its all good.

ian2211

pendulum wrote: »

Gee, I'm not sure why I thought your friends could struggle (notice: I didn't say they would) with an operating system change from Windows to Linux. Maybe the three years I spent studying Software Engineering taught me something about the likely downsides to switching from a system a user is happy and familiar with to one with which they are not

You could argue that most people are Happy with their OS because they do not know any different, when one OS is rammed down your throat most people will be happy with it because they are not shown the alternatives.

The OP is merely stating that he will introduce his friends to Linux and give them an insight into another OS.

pendulum

ian2211 wrote: »

The OP is merely stating that he will introduce his friends to Linux and give them an insight into another OS.

He did not say that until later on in the thread. To begin with he said he might just say he couldn't fix XP and slap Linux on it to "do them a favour" or somesuch. I would provide actual quotes but their posts don't show anymore...

23n1th

I imagine they do if you're not logged in.

Mr_Oink

Ignore lists and kill files have their places, but our troll has used it for the predictable and typical cowards way out. Rather like the weedy bloke that gets all gobby in the pub, but when he gets challanged by the bigger boys he runs and hides in the toilet, sticks his fingers in his ears singing 'la la la I'm not listening to you' whilst crying for his mummy.

This is the fix....