More than 110 cruise missiles fired at Lybia

mbga9pgf

ninky wrote: »

i'm no gaddafi lover but it's hardly liquitating the people. some libyans actually support gaddafi. there is no evidence that the 'rebels' are any better - just different (and various) vested interests.

if protestors in the uk were armed and behaving in the same way as the rebel factions in libya do you not think military forces would be mobilised against them? would that then give foreign governments the right to intervene?

it's clear our actions are not to create a ceasefire but rather to help an increase of fire towards gaddafi supporters.

Hate to point it out, but when 10-20% of your population are on the payroll as secret police, its a bit difficult not to be supported by "your" people....

The only mandate we have is to provide protection of the people under attack by GD forces.

What illiterate guardian readers dont realise is, you cant do that with a fully or partly active IADS, which they had until we bombed the sh*t out of it.

Unless you want our lads flying dodging SAMs that is.

Besides, if we get the smash on hard and early, its going to make any cowardly attacking force think twice about attacking civilians.

mbga9pgf

ash28 wrote: »

There are other countries in the region that are killing their unarmed citizens (the Libyan rebels appear to be well armed) and we sit by while our client allies, like Saudi Arabia go in and help to suppress unarmed protesters.

Look at Yemen - there are tanks on the streets - is it time to intervene there?

I suggest there will be plenty going on unpublicised politically to try and prevent the Yemen situation. Such as, "you might want to look at what we are doing in Libya and ammend your behaviour accordingly".

Hate to point it out, but Saudi and Bahrain are allies... and the last thing we want is a bunch of ragtag individuals in charge of 50% of the global oil supply... bearing in mind that Shiia support for our not so friendly Persian chaps across the gulf. That might not be palatable, but its unfortunately the truth isnt it? Unless you want the global economy shutting down due to lack of energy?

ninky_2

mbga9pgf wrote: »

Hate to point it out, but when 10-20% of your population are on the payroll as secret police, its a bit difficult not to be supported by "your" people....

The only mandate we have is to provide protection of the people under attack by GD forces.

What illiterate guardian readers dont realise is, you cant do that with a fully or partly active IADS, which they had until we bombed the sh*t out of it.

Unless you want our lads flying dodging SAMs that is.

Besides, if we get the smash on hard and early, its going to make any cowardly attacking force think twice about attacking civilians.

are you suggesting the saudi's don't have secret police? actually most regimes have 'secret police' of one sort or another (even us). one person's secret police is another countries homeland defense.

i very much doubt any regime that would replace gaddafi's would do away with secret police. iraq's are still going strong....

mbga9pgf

Who gives a sh*t what the saudis do? They supply a hell of a lot of the global oil supply. And what the hell would you know about Iraq? I take it you have been there?

Or are you just bleating on like guardian readers like to?

ninky_2

mbga9pgf wrote: »

Who gives a sh*t what the saudis do? They supply a hell of a lot of the global oil supply. And what the hell would you know about Iraq? I take it you have been there?

Or are you just bleating on like guardian readers like to?

calm down dear no need to get your knickers in a twist.

i care what the saudis do because it impacts on fellow human beings. i care what happens in iraq for the same reasons (and have iraqi friends). might i suggest that many who are [STRIKE]bleating [/STRIKE]expressing an opion about libya haven't been there.

(btw i read the mail far more often than the grauniad but most of my opinions are got through primary research, comparison and analysis not secondhand sources such as newpapers).

chewmylegoff

mbga9pgf wrote: »

Who gives a sh*t what the saudis do? They supply a hell of a lot of the global oil supply. And what the hell would you know about Iraq? I take it you have been there?

Or are you just bleating on like guardian readers like to?

isn't this the point though. who gives a sh*t what the libyans do either.

mbga9pgf

They are easy pickings to make an example of. Especially bearing in mind their Mediterranean location.

ash28

mbga9pgf wrote: »

I suggest there will be plenty going on unpublicised politically to try and prevent the Yemen situation. Such as, "you might want to look at what we are doing in Libya and ammend your behaviour accordingly".

Hate to point it out, but Saudi and Bahrain are allies... and the last thing we want is a bunch of ragtag individuals in charge of 50% of the global oil supply... bearing in mind that Shiia support for our not so friendly Persian chaps across the gulf. That might not be palatable, but its unfortunately the truth isnt it? Unless you want the global economy shutting down due to lack of energy?

I did actually say that they were our allies - or rather I said client allies.

I'm fully aware of the support from across the Persion Gulf for the Shia. And I do understand Saudi Arabia's concern and Bahrain's, especially Bahrain's with a Shia population and Sunni rulers. And SA must be more than a bit bothered by their own Shia minority, marginalised and sitting virtually on top of the Saudi oil fields. I think a Shia cleric was arrested in the Eastern Province at the end last month after calling for a constitutional monarchy during a Friday sermon.

You don't live there for any length of time and not understand - I just don't like the hypocrasy coming from our gov't - who seem to be prepared to turn a blind eye when it suits.

ninky_2

does anyone know exactly why we are supporting the 'rebels' in libya. the original protests were religiously motivated to protest against the danish cartoons of mohammed - and then became a protest against gaddafi, considered to be an enemy of islam by certain factions.

are we not biting off more than we can chew yet again. how long before these 'rebels' become the perceived enemy once more? now armed and trained by the west?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Conference_for_the_Libyan_Opposition

During the 2011 Libyan protests, NCLO aided in organizing the 17 February "Day of Rage", stating that "all" groups opposed to Gaddafi both within Libya and in exile planned the protests in memory of the demonstrations in Benghazi on 17 February, 2006 that were initially against the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons, but which turned into protests against Gaddafi

FTBFun

ninky wrote: »

does anyone know exactly why we are supporting the 'rebels' in libya. the original protests were religiously motivated to protest against the danish cartoons of mohammed - and then became a protest against gaddafi, considered to be an enemy of islam by certain factions.

are we not biting off more than we can chew yet again. how long before these 'rebels' become the perceived enemy once more? now armed and trained by the west?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Conference_for_the_Libyan_Opposition

During the 2011 Libyan protests, NCLO aided in organizing the 17 February "Day of Rage", stating that "all" groups opposed to Gaddafi both within Libya and in exile planned the protests in memory of the demonstrations in Benghazi on 17 February, 2006 that were initially against the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons, but which turned into protests against Gaddafi

Are you sure?

It appears the protests in 2006 were originally against the cartoons, but turned into protects against Gaddafi, and the ones in 2011 were in memory of this particular action not the cartoons one.

I somehow doubt civil war has developed from the cartoons fiasco.