Travelling expenses

globalds

pleasedtobuy wrote: »

I am reading the replies with interest and would like to clarify things for Globalds as I take his point entirely. However, the majority of my work is still site A, and will be for the next 8 months at least. I would not expect to be treated differently to all other employees once the move is made, at which time of course there would be no problems with insurance as the workplace would be clearly defined. As I said site B is a building site at present. The difference to me is only 6 miles per day which in a way makes it worse!

Your workplace is clearly defined as you know where you will be.
It is much more to do with you using your vehicle on company time.

Your insurer would be much more interested in you getting an evening jobs delivering pizza's and using your own vehicle, than you travelling to a different site.

I think you are feeling like you have done the company a favour and have now realised you are coming off a bit worse off.

The added cost and the insurance are separate issues.

Deal with each separately and it will make negotiations less complicated.

As I am just a random off the internet it would be best to check with your insurance.

And if you think you are losing money then ask your boss for a pay rise to acknowledge your extra duties.

If your doing all this extra stuff for them you surely are worth a little more ...even if just for the set up period.

Oldernotwiser

I think that an extra 12 miles occasionally isn't anything to get fussed about.

getmore4less

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

Not necessarily, for example Direct Line often puts this in without having to ask.

OP - how would you have got there if you didn't have a car? Would they have expected you to walk in your own time?

You work at site A and if they send you to site B then they have to get you there. Usually that's with travel expenses - so mileage or bus/train fares. They know this....and it would have been factored into their calculations.

Read the posts, OP says in the first post

even though technically my car insurance only covers me for commuting to and from my regular place of work

pleasedtobuy

globalds wrote: »

I think you are feeling like you have done the company a favour and have now realised you are coming off a bit worse off.

Spot on...

I have vowed not to lose any sleep over this but interesting to get the mood of the people! (I will also call my insurer).:)

ohreally

pleasedtobuy wrote: »

(I will also call my insurer).

It may provide you with a convenient escape route if you don't arrange appropriate cover.

If you do decide to arrange it, get a comittment from you employer to provide appropriate mileage allowance - a search on the internet should provide you with some existing agreements that you could negotiate around. .54ppm could be a starting point.

Savvy_Sue

ohreally wrote: »

54ppm could be a starting point.

It could, but it would also involve the employer in P11Ds which I've always tried to avoid!

ATM, your employer can pay you up to 40 pence per mile and there are no tax implications. Once your employer pays more than 40 ppm, the employee is liable to pay tax on the difference.

Equally if the employer pays less than 40 ppm, you can offset the tax on that against your bill. But for some things, life's too short, I'd go for 40 ppm!

Also wrt insurance, presumably that clause is more directed to preventing the car being used for travelling sales or similar. The OP's employer is moving: there are currently 2 'usual' places of work. That needs to be clarified with the insurer, but surely shouldn't be a problem.

ohreally

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

Once your employer pays more than 40 ppm, the employee is liable to pay tax on the difference.

I'm sorry but thats simply not true (have we not had this, or a very similar conversation in the distant past?).

getmore4less

ohreally wrote: »

I'm sorry but thats simply not true (have we not had this, or a very similar conversation in the distant past?).

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/paye/exb/a-z/m/mileage-expenses.htm

Do you disagree with this

donquine

ohreally wrote: »

I'm sorry but thats simply not true (have we not had this, or a very similar conversation in the distant past?).

This was my understanding: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/eimanual/EIM31355.htm

Is there an exemption that Sue and I have missed? Genuinely curious, because my gut reaction would be to put the difference between the mileage paid and the approved mileage onto a form P11D and tax the amount.

Savvy_Sue

ohreally wrote: »

I'm sorry but thats simply not true (have we not had this, or a very similar conversation in the distant past?).

If we have, I don't remember it!